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flpoljunkie

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Thu Jul-23-09 05:21 PM
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Rockefeller to Baucus: 'Don't think we are so desperate. We are not going to fall into line.'

And in the Senate, Finance Committee members shut out of bipartisan talks warned Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.) that their votes could not be taken for granted as he works toward a deal with Republicans.

�Don�t think we are so desperate, we are not going to fall into line,� Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-W.V.) said, describing the message Democrats delivered to Baucus. �I�m not allowed into the meetings, the real meetings they have, what they call the coalition of the willing. It is a really, really bad way to try and develop support and ideas. So the whole philosophy is if we can get these three Republicans, we can call it bipartisan, but I don�t think any of you are going to think it is particularly bipartisan.�

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0709/25331.html

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kenny blankenship

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Thu Jul-23-09 05:23 PM
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1. What would it take to get this fuckwad Baucus out of the picture?

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uponit7771

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Thu Jul-23-09 05:25 PM
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4. for real!! Is there a more progressive candidate we can finance to get his ass out of office

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SpartanDem

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Thu Jul-23-09 05:31 PM
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6. It's freaking Montana so probably not.

Edited on Thu Jul-23-09 05:31 PM by SpartanDem

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rvablue

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Thu Jul-23-09 05:37 PM
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10. Well, there are other states where we could pick up another progressive member -- where it's viable.

So, I propose, if Baucus wants to become a mouthpeice and puppet for the GOP obstructionists, that he can become one OR sacrifice his seat to the Repubs next time around.

We can pick up another member, maybe, somewhere that is a much rosier shade of purple. And if not, eff them, we've still got 58-59 votes.

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kenny blankenship

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Thu Jul-23-09 06:10 PM
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14. I'm all for making an example of Baucus at the polls, but we can't wait that long.

Edited on Thu Jul-23-09 06:17 PM by kenny blankenship

As I've said before, I will be donating to anybody ANYBODY at all running against Max Baucus, with my only goals being for Max Baucus to lose and for other Democrats to draw the appropriate lesson from his defeat. However, the extreme frustration of Sen. Rockefeller speaks to a more pressing need - the need for us to relieve Baucus of his committee powers. Jay Rockefeller is hardly a firebrand, egalitarian liberal out to transform society, but even he finds Baucus' sabotage intolerable. Baucus is "leading" on healthcare only to kill it. There's no point in pretending he has a place in this process or this party. Get rid of him.

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PretzelWarrior

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Thu Jul-23-09 05:25 PM
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2. HELL YAH! Everyone call Baucus!

If you know what's good for you.

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Avalux

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Thu Jul-23-09 05:25 PM
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3. Fuck bipartisanship and fuck Harry Reid.

Edited on Thu Jul-23-09 05:25 PM by Avalux

He has got to be the worst Majority Leader ever - not a leader at all. Someone needs to reign in Baucus and put duct tape on his mouth. Reid certainly can't do it. Fuck.

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MarjorieG

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Thu Jul-23-09 06:03 PM
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13. Reid's own re-election is at play, but will pay if this doesn't pass..

We still need to get a good bill out of the House, something out of Finance, then we'll be ready in September.

Baucus sincerely wants health care, but honestly can't abide any of Obama's or the party's ideas. Someone needs to tell him this is not his personal bill.

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Canuckistanian

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Thu Jul-23-09 08:07 PM
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24. Baucus doesn't "sincerely want health care"

And by that, I assume you mean the public option.

What he wants is the status quo. And he's working with GOP members in secret to achieve that.

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fascisthunter

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Thu Jul-23-09 05:26 PM
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5. Time for Baucus to find another political party to represent the wealthy

and time for him to give up HIS government funded health care.

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Honeycombe8

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Thu Jul-23-09 07:37 PM
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23. The wealthy are not the enemy. It's just wrong to hate someone because he doesn't have $...

or because he does.

Some of the richest people in the country....are Democrats.

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fascisthunter

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Fri Jul-24-09 08:24 AM
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25. tell me something... how did you assume I hated all wealthy

in that post I said no such thing

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OHdem10

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Thu Jul-23-09 05:31 PM
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7. The biggest mistake was ever putting Baucus in charge of this Health

Care Reform.

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liskddksil

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Thu Jul-23-09 05:32 PM
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8. Call Rockefeller to thank him for standing up to Baucus

We need to reward them when they do the right thing too.

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rvablue

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Thu Jul-23-09 05:35 PM
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9. SHUT OUT?SHUT OUT? WTF!!!!

Sorry for the caps, folks, but I'm pissed! :grr:

I thought this working group B.S. was some attempt at bipartianship and was agreed upon by committee members, I hadn't realized members were "shut out."

I was wondering why some of the more progressive members were not in on this working group -- like, uhhh, let's see, JOHN FREAKIN' KERRY???

Why has our party handed over the reins to a few MINORITY party members to steer this historic legislation in its nasence? Why?????????

I guess there's no reason to win elections anymore. The GOP will always have their way.

What is wrong with our party. What is it????????????????

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flpoljunkie

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Thu Jul-23-09 05:56 PM
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11. I was also amazed members can be shut out of their own committee meetings.

Edited on Thu Jul-23-09 06:06 PM by flpoljunkie

Baucus was supposed to have a bill out of his committee by July 4th, but the 'coalition of the willing' has evidently succeeded in making sure no bill will get voted on by the full Senate until after the August break.

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RandomThoughts

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Thu Jul-23-09 06:02 PM
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12. Sometimes partisan is noble. Guess it depends on the goal and the side.

Edited on Thu Jul-23-09 06:03 PM by RandomThoughts

Ride Across the River
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hHfCMh-G-s

And for Baucus here is a boost for that pride of yours.

Dire Straits - Your Latest Trick
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpqdLqYYpoY

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Still Sensible

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Thu Jul-23-09 06:23 PM
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15. True or not, leave it to Politico to spread

each and every rumor that paints the democrats at each others throats. Divide and conquer.

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flpoljunkie

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Thu Jul-23-09 06:27 PM
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16. Those were quotes from Rockefeller, and I have no doubt they are accurate.

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jwirr

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Thu Jul-23-09 06:31 PM
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19. In the bills that are on the floor does anyone know if they include the

idea that congress will lose their health care? When the bills say that no one will be forced to the public option does that mean that congress gets to keep their present program?

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flpoljunkie

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Thu Jul-23-09 06:35 PM
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21. I believe that amendment was passed in the HELP committee. They called crazy Coburn's bluff on it.

Edited on Thu Jul-23-09 06:41 PM by flpoljunkie

The Coburn Amendment: Ezra, What's your thought on Sen. Coburn's amendment to make all of Congress enroll in the public option, especially since it was passed by Committee when Dodd and Kennedy voted for the nominal 'poison pill'? Was this an example of the GOP being pwned?

Ezra Klein: Yep. They thought they could get the Democrats as hypocrites on this one. Instead, Kennedy and Dodd said fine -- we're happy to. So hopefully, Coburn will be in the public option before too long. Maybe he'll even like it.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/07/chat_transcript_1.html#more

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Arkana

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Thu Jul-23-09 06:30 PM
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17. EDIT: I are idiot and not know how read thread, apparently.

Edited on Thu Jul-23-09 06:34 PM by Arkana

:hurr:

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kenny blankenship

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Thu Jul-23-09 06:31 PM
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18. Withdrawn.

Edited on Thu Jul-23-09 06:36 PM by kenny blankenship

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Arkana

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Thu Jul-23-09 06:34 PM
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20. .

Edited on Thu Jul-23-09 06:34 PM by Arkana

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RandomThoughts

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Thu Jul-23-09 07:34 PM
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22. Baucus looking in the mirror.

Taxi Driver Scene.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e9CkhBb18E

(To the crazies, Don't think of this as violent, if you do its your problem, love is never violent. Its a metaphor for how people end up hurting themselves with their actions.)

Why Worry
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im2SoltmZEc

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