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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 07:42 PM
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OK so the stinking media parades two black officers supporting Crowley
BIG DEAL!!! black officers can be a pain in the ass also
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 07:44 PM
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1. Fucking racists..too late, Pres Obama has
already diffused the situation. As usual the coporatemedia is a day late and a dollar short.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 07:47 PM
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2. I don't know of a single law enforcement officer...of any race...that would disagree with Crowley.
His actions were by-the-book and professional.


...and show no evidence of racism.
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theoldman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 07:54 PM
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5. Where you there to observe?
By whose book?
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 03:58 PM
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22. No, I've read the same data available to everybody else.
Police incident reports, Gates' statements, Crowley's statements.

Nothing in any of them shows any racist behavior on Crowley's part. However, Gates does seem to be overly sensitive to law enforcement personnel.

If a white man stated that the mere presence of a black law enforcement officer on his porch led him to "know that he was in danger", DUers would be screaming racism. Reverse the situation and barely a peep.

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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 09:00 AM
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19. Except for the fact he breached his own State's law...
by not providing his identification card upon request:

CHAPTER 41. OFFICERS AND EMPLOYEES OF CITIES, TOWNS AND DISTRICTS


POLICE OFFICERS


Chapter 41: Section 98D. Identification cards


Section 98D. Each city or town shall issue to every full time police officer employed by it an identification card bearing his photograph and the municipal seal. Such card shall be carried on the officer’s person, and shall be exhibited upon lawful request for purposes of identification.

http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/41-98d.htm

The fact the card was NOT presented is actually in both Crowley's report and in Dr. Gates account of the incident. It is, it seems one of the facts in which they both agree.

I am interested in what you have to say about this.


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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 07:48 PM
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3. 'sOK...the President will have Gates and Crowley to the WH as he suggested,
and he'll close the get-together to the MSM and release the photos on whitehouse.gov.

If the corpmediawhores want to see how it turned out, they can visit the site or go to flickr.com

At least I hope that's how they do it!
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 07:49 PM
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4. Not just two officers
By all accounts in the Boston Globe, perhaps the most liberal major daily in the country, Crowley is not a racist. Defense attorneys and local activists all indicate that this is not a guy who is motivated by racism in any way.

Two guys had a dick measuring contest, and it ended badly. Crowley should have acted more professionally; he let himself lose his cool, which is unacceptable in police work. But it's not the same thing as being a racist.

Also, Gates seems to have copped that too-common Harvard faculty attitude, getting snooty with the middle-class locals.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 07:58 PM
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7. Just think....getting "snooty" in one's own house!
How sooooo Harvard! My Black daughter graduated from Harvard. I hope she didn't pick up that attitude from those snooty teachers over there! I better not catch her being snooty in her apartment! :rofl:
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 08:09 PM
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9. The "noive" of that "perfesser!"
Who does he think he IS? The guy who lives in the house...or what?
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 08:13 PM
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11. So, classism doesn't exist at Harvard?
Well, my family are Irish-Catholics from Somerville, just a few miles from harvard Square. If you don't think that there is rampant classism and thinly veiled bigotry towards the locals on the part of some members of the Harvard community, then you're kidding yourself.

It looks like Gates copped an attitude (come on, a 60 year old academic tossing out "yo mama" lines?), and Crowley foolishly let himself take the bait. They both behaved like jackasses, and I suspect that they both wish they could have a do-over.

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 08:26 PM
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15. I think there are a lot of folks that consider themselves superior in a whole lot of places....
As for Gates copping an attitude, I believe that it was the professional responsibility of the guy with the gun whose salary is paid for by folks like Gates to diffuse the situation. That is a big part of what any training of a public servant would entail, especially when doing this public service at the house of the uppity guy.

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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 08:52 AM
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18. Well stated.
I think we have two good men who lost it. Sgt. Crowley seems like a good cop who, unfortunately, handled this situation poorly.
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Empowerer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 09:31 AM
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21. Exact folks are acting like there's moral equivalency here: "The both behaved badly so it's a wash"
Wrong.

There's a considerable difference between a man in his own house mouthing off to a cop and a cop using the power of his badge and gun to arrest someone for mouthing off to him.

There is a distinct imbalance of power in such situations and therein lies the rub.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 06:36 AM
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23. And that is PRECISELY why too many whites have such distorted ideas
about what racism is.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 08:23 PM
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13. May I shake your hand Frenchie?
Edited on Fri Jul-24-09 08:56 PM by goclark
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 08:27 PM
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16. Of course goclark....cause I ain't got no "tude" !
:rofl:
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theoldman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 07:56 PM
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6. He who has made a mistake and fails to correct it has made two mistakes.
Obama corrected his mistake. Now it is up to the two other guys to do the same.
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 08:00 PM
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8. Breaking news! Black officers working for a racist institution defend the intuition that butters
their bread.

In other news, fire is hot and water is wet.

Why the hell is do people think this is supposed to mean something. I already knew they were going to drag out some black cop to back the asshole cop. They act like black cops aren't capable of being equally asshole like in their dealings with black people.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 08:25 PM
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14. Thank you ~ not to say that the Black Officers
or the White Officers can't think for themselves but when you are in a club that gives you your pay check, you belong to the "good old boys club?"


How many woman officers did they have at the club meeting?
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 08:33 PM
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17. "defend the intuition"?
Funniest typo of the week.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 09:15 AM
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20. Why, of course they do. We have seen this happen in other cases
of racist police abuse.
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HopeOverFear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 08:09 PM
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10. Remember that scene from "Boyz In The Hood?"
I rest my case. :)
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 08:21 PM
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12. I hate when that happens. I wonder why some white folks don't understand how
Edited on Fri Jul-24-09 08:28 PM by redstate_democrat
condescending that is. President Obama was only asked about the Gates situation in the first place because he is black. Let's just start right there. If Joe Biden/Hillary Clinton/Nancy Pelosi was standing up there giving a press conference, no one would have asked them about Henry Louis Gates Jr. So for the news media to act SHOCKED that President Obama responded to their very direct question is kind of odd. After all, Obama was VERY deferential to this cop. He DECLINED to base the cop's actions on racial bias because he said he didn't have all of the facts on that particular matter. But it didn't take a genius to figure out that on its FACE, the cop's actions seemed stupid, regardless of any racial angle.

You don't arrest someone is their own house after they've already proved they have a right to be there. More importantly, the cop DID NOT have a right to be at the house after Gates showed his I.D. Point fucking blank. I don't care about all of the excuses about well cops have to protect themselves and hypotheticals about battered wives. That was not the case in this situation and that cop knew it. The cop was called to the house on a suspected burglary. Once he found out there was no burglary, then CASE CLOSED, have a good day!

But what happened? The cop got pissed off that this Harvard professor had the temerity to step out of his place and demand respect and a little deference in his own damn home. This cop, who supposedly is some sort of racial sensitivity trainer, is clearly unqualified to do his job if that is the case. He could not, after being accused of racism, diffuse the situation any better than arresting an older black man who had been falsely accused of breaking into his own damn house? Crowley abused his authority. Cops have discretion to haul in someone on a minor charge like Disorderly Conduct, but they have zero discretion to haul in someone for no damn reason at all. Gates clearly did not break any law as evidenced by the charges eventually being dropped. Professor Angela Davis explained things rather clearly on the Situation Room. In Mass, you cannot be arrested on a Disorderly Conduct charge for abusive language, especially if its at your own damn house. This cop, with all of his training and experience, should have known that. I'm sure he did, but decided he wanted to take Gates down a peg or two.

In my opinion, President Obama owed no one an apology or clarification, but politics get in the way so he had to walk back his choice of words. In the end, this cop STILL acted stupidly and probably abused his authority/discretion.

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