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masuki bance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 09:39 PM
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Blue Dogs Say Leadership Lied to Them- Storm Out Of Meeting
House healthcare talks break down in anger


House healthcare negotiations dissolved in acrimony on Friday, with Blue Dog Democrats saying they were “lied” to by their Democratic leaders.

In advance of a subsequent press conference called by House leadership, Blue Dog liaison Rep. Dennis Cardoza (D-Calif.) said the healthcare bill should be staying in committee.

"I expect the committee process to proceed," Cardoza said.

The seven Blue Dogs on the Energy and Commerce Committee stormed out of a Friday meeting with their committee chairman, Henry Waxman (D-Calif.), saying Waxman had been negotiating in bad faith over a number of provisions Blue Dogs demanded be changed in the stalled healthcare bill.

“I’ve been lied to,” Blue Dog Coalition Co-Chairman Charlie Melancon (D-La.) said on Friday. “We have not had legitimate negotiations.

“Mr. Waxman has decided to sever discussions with the Blue Dogs who are trying to make this bill work for America,” Melancon said.

Although those Blue Dogs were supposed to be headed back into another meeting of the Energy and Commerce Democrats, their anger was visible.

If the two sides cannot reach an agreement, the only hope for passage of the bill in the House will be to go straight to the floor, an option leaders shied away from endorsing but said was an option.

But the Blue Dogs issued dire warnings to leaders contemplating that approach.

"Waxman simply does not have votes in committee and process should not be bypassed to bring the bill straight to floor,” Rep. Mike Ross (D-Ark.), the lead Blue Dog negotiator, said on Friday. “We are trying to save this bill and trying to save this party.”

Melancon said there would be 40-45 “solid no” votes from the 52-strong Blue Dogs, among other problems throughout the caucus. And Melancon said there are more Democrats who will vote against the bill.

“If they try to bring it to the floor, I think they’ll find out they have more problems than the Blue Dogs.”

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/house-healthcare-talks-break-down-in-anger-2009-07-24.html



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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 09:44 PM
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1. Story overtaken by events...
...an hour or so later: link.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 09:58 PM
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4. Exactly. The good guys won!
Ross & co. were confronted by Waxman, told to stop stalling the bill, threatened with the House going around the committee. Ross threw a hissy-fit and stormed out, put his finger in the wind, found out that Waxman was willing to do it, and he & Pelosi had a bigger rolodex, more strings to pull, and a lot more clout, and that if they kept at it, they would lose, so the Blue Dogs slinked back into the meeting, and took the compromise offered them.

Now Energy & Commerce committee markup's going to resume, and HR 3200 is back on track!
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 10:25 PM
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7. Guess the OP will have to find something else to get all concerned about.
:)
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 11:37 PM
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10. LOL!
Yup!
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LuckyTheDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 09:46 PM
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2. We cannot have this shit
The Blue Dogs and the leadership need to take a deep breath and act like grownups. I DON'T CARE who is at fault here. I don't even want to know. We don't have time for hissy fits and pissing contests.

Get back into that room and work out a deal. Do it now. That is all.
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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 09:47 PM
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3. If not lobbyists dollars, then provisions can be put in to address regional problems, later.
Do they really speak for 40-45 who want to scuttle Bill, their re-election, and go against Obama? Let them vote no, and have it both ways.
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safeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 10:20 PM
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5. Lets call them what they are
"Lap dog" Democrats. In the lap of lobbyist.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 10:22 PM
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6. Actually, your report is old. They ended up smoothing over the issue and re-started negotiations...
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 11:24 PM
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8. Melancon and his Blue Dogs are killing any viable chance at reform
and killing the party along with it.
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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 11:27 PM
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9. Tell them how you feel
Contact the Blue Dogs:

Kristen Hawn

Communications Director

BlueDog@mail.house.gov
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pinb1212 Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 01:20 AM
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11. You have to remember
many of the blue dogs were elected in districs where OB got less than 50% of the vote. Some from districs where the Pres. only got 30-40%. To them this is survival.
Not saying it's right, but that's how it is.
This is a price we pay for pushing the election of Very conservative Democrat candidates just to unseat a Repug.
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