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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 04:08 PM
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Pelosi: We have a good bill, . . public option has overwhelming caucus support . .it will win
Speaker Pelosi gave an interview that will be shown on CNN's 'State of the Union' tomorrow:


Key points being reported in advance:

1) It is a good bill, and is not being rushed in a way that sacrifices quality.

2) The inclusion of a public option has the "overwhelming support of the Democratic Caucus"

3) It will win passage in the House.




Pelosi: When I take health care bill to the floor, 'it will win'



http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/
“We believe that we have a good bill,” Pelosi tells CNN Chief National Correspondent John King.

“This isn’t about rushing,” the leading Democrat says amid criticism from Republicans that her party is trying to rush through massive changes to a sector that makes up a sixth of the U.S. economy.

Related: GOP ratchets up health care reform debate

Pelosi also tells King that two of the three House committees with jurisdiction over the reform legislation have already reported out a bill. Some Democrats are taking issue with the inclusion of a public insurance option in the legislation. But, Pelosi notes, the public option has “overwhelming support” of the House Democratic Caucus as a whole.

Related: House Democrats splinter over health care

“It’s the Speaker’s job sometimes,” King told Pelosi, “to referee disputes within the family. Are you worried your family is coming apart on this and that you might not have the votes on the floor?”

“Absolutely, positively not,” Pelosi responded. “When I take this bill to the floor, it will win.”
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 04:12 PM
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1. If not now, when?
While I like Pres. Obama as a teacher, I think he needs to come on the tv again with bullet points about what this is going to look like. Like a power point presentation. There is so much misinformation out there.

The fact that some of these legislators have been in office for decades and have not progressed on a health care bill is a crime.
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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 04:26 PM
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4. I think that's his frustration, and problem with the last presser, no real Bill to tout and explain.
He did an incredible job at the presser explaining why the economics require we act, and what we are already doing to address the deficit.
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 04:34 PM
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5. He's a really good explainer
:-) Hopefully, there will be something for him to work with soon.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 07:00 PM
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19. Or they have decided not to allow the details to be revealed too far ahead so that
it can't be nit picked.
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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 08:06 PM
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21. Agreed that it has to get out of committees, public option intact. What if Baucus delays
so long, only giving co-ops, can we merge with HELP and use its financing of surtax, or only mention of financing has to come from Finance? Sorry for all these questions.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 01:39 AM
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40. The Clinton's bill got picked to death before it ever got anywhere;for Obama this was lesson learned
... at least I think so. Transparency is all well and good, but in this hostile political climate I think Obama's proclivity for playing his cards close to his chest is in full force.

Hekate
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 04:19 PM
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2. Gotta love Pelosi...Obama and her work well together -- As for Reid (vomit)
But i agree with the above reply...Obama should do a Ross Perot and do slide show power point presentation on the details..this would silence a lot
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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 04:22 PM
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3. With your knowledge of the process, Obama's chops and conviction on this, how good getting watered
details, like currently no negotiating for drugs, restrictive firewalls, reversed to make a bill better. Even if the Senate produces something significantly more conservative. Ridiculous and unfortunate we have to be so deficit neutral on this moral and economic imperative.

Any way we can do this without a mandate?

Guess I'm asking both procedural and political realities.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 04:47 PM
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6. Even if they pass the best possible bill there will still be problems

It seems to me that the critical thing is to get it passed and get the public educated to the fact that they have a right to reasonable universal health care.

In time they will become more demanding and we will be on our way to single payer.

If we don't get the first step done now, even if it has significant problems, I don't see us ever getting it passed.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 04:52 PM
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7. Pelosi would dissemble more if she didn't have the votes.
She'd temporize. We'd hear things like "We're very close to a deal", or "It's currently in the works and only days from getting the necessary votes".
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 04:55 PM
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8. I agree

And when it comes to the Blue Dogs it would seem that there may be an effort for 'Pro Forma' posturizing.

In the end blowing up the Health Plan would be so damaging to the party, and to the brand that they run on that it would not be in their interests to cause problems, even if they were from conservative districts.
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Engineer4Obama Donating Member (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 05:07 PM
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10. Weren't there a few cracks in blue dog unity on this issue?
I remember some members of the caucus being pretty angry with caucus leadership about a month ago on the issue of health care.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 09:12 PM
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25. Yes, the Blue Dog Caucus is not united.
A lot of the Blue Dogs actually do want a public option.

The biggest problem was Mike Ross & co. in the Energy & Commerce Committee, but Waxman seems to have given them a spanking yesterday, so I'm not particularly worried about the House - we'll have a bill on the floor by the middle of next week by my guess, and if Pelosi decides to have the House work a little OT (as in a couple days), the entire House can pass it!
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 05:04 PM
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9. And why do I love Pelosi? This is one of the reasons. Despite namecallers. n/t
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 05:29 PM
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13. She knows that her entire reputation will be made or lost on this bill
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 05:22 PM
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11. Repubs and Democratic posers are not amused by this
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 05:25 PM
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12. question about conference committee reconciliation.
do we know who will be on that committee? that is where the rubber really meets the road.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 05:30 PM
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14. Hopefully Senator Obama and Congressman Rahm
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 06:20 PM
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16. that would rock. np
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 05:54 PM
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15. My understanding is that the real bill, in terms of specifically what the Prez wants,
Edited on Sat Jul-25-09 05:55 PM by FrenchieCat
will come out of that committee.....

I think leaving it more vague and folks sticking a bunch of stuff in it, is being allowed more to get it to committee rather than to have such things intact coming out of the committee.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 06:20 PM
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17. s.o.p.
just wondering if we have the metal.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 06:59 PM
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18. I think we should assume that there are parallel tracks

and that even the 'struggling' Blue Dogs have been scripted to allow for some pre voting posturing.

In the end the bill will pass and the entire Democratic caucus will be for it.


Pelosi is not a very convincing actor and she appears to be very confident on the results.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 07:02 PM
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20. Perhaps Blue Dogs are really saying "Make me do it" to their constituency.....
in order to be able to vote for the bill without having to deal with the asshole republican propaganda that will attempt to be eminating from their districts. If so, this is smart....
if not, then they are not that smart.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 08:36 PM
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22. Keep bringing the good news, grantcart.
K&R.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 03:43 AM
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28. ..
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 08:38 PM
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23. Yes but what about the poor Blue Dogs that the media tell us must be included
:cry: :cry:
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 08:38 PM
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24. And what will happen to this weak public option when it goes to conference with the Senate

I suppose it could be made even weaker, or just removed from the final "compromise" bill.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 10:40 PM
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26. Didn't she say the same thing about the Wall Street Bailout?
Why, YES.
I believe she did.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-25-09 11:52 PM
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27. Where is that pic of Nancy with the huge gavel?
:)
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 04:48 AM
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29. Thank you Nancy!
:applause:
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cleveramerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 06:13 AM
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30. when she says stuff like this it means its dead.
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Paladin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 09:47 AM
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31. Why Will It Win, Pelosi?

Because Dubya isn't around anymore for you to give into? Really encouraging.....
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 09:50 AM
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32. Go, Pelosi, go!!!
I'm so excited about the public option. I have good coverage through work, but it's comforting to know that there will be an option for me should I lose my job. And can't wait for the draconian notion of denying coverage based on pre existing conditions to go the way of the dodo bird.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 12:34 PM
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33. and once established it will be much easier to expand and perfect it.
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 02:13 PM
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34. Absolutely
It will be President Obama's and this congress' legacy.

:fistbump:
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 03:21 PM
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35. The problem was never the House...but was always going to be the Senate
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 03:59 PM
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36. YES! Great bills have passed the House only to be compromised away by Senate.
And it's often hard to know if some of those bills got so much good support in the House because the reluctant ones knew that the Senate would kill some of the good parts. Sometimes there were agreements made behind the scenes with Blue Dogs and Reid.

Nancy is not the problem. It's Reid and his deals.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 04:05 PM
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37. Ok, so there's this post here by grantcart on Pelosi projecting victory
for the health care bill.

What's not to like about the post, the poster, and the plan that prompted it?

Thank you, grantcart. And keep doing a fine job tending the garden. Such blossoms.
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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 05:29 PM
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38. Go ahead and say it "I WANT the Bill to fail"
because the well was poisoned all along. No real reform is possible. You know you want to say ...
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 07:30 PM
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39. I like what I said I like.
grantcart rocks.
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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 06:56 AM
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41. Apologies. I took it as sarcasm.
grantcart rocks indeed.
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