CALLING ALL NAM VETS: Report Here For Duty.

The Swift Liars are running a multi-million blitz next week in battleground states, proclaiming:

“Even before Jane Fonda went to Hanoi to meet with the enemy and mock America, John Kerry secretly met with enemy leaders in Paris”

This is infuriating. I am willing to sign on to any viable effort that will decisively rain on the parade of these rotten bastards. Lawsuits, demonstrations, personal confrontations, whatever.

Anybody else in?

Any suggestions?

Somehow I think NIS would have uncovered this one.

Kerry, the Congressional Record, 1971

The Chairman: Do you support or do you have any particular views about any one of them you wish to give the committee?

Mr. Kerry: My feeling, Senator, is undoubtedly this Congress, and I don't mean to sound pessimistic, but I do not believe that this Congress will, in fact, end the war as we would like to, which is immediately and unilaterally and, therefore, if I were to speak I would say we would set a date and the date obviously would be the earliest possible date. But I would like to say, in answering that, that I do not believe it is necessary to stall any longer. I have been to Paris. I have talked with both delegations at the peace talks, that is to say the Democratic Republic of Vietnam and the Provisional Revolutionary Government and of all eight of Madam Binh's points it has been stated time and time again, and was stated by Senator Vance Hartke when he returned from Paris, and it has been stated by many other officials of this Government, if the United States were to set a date for withdrawal the prisoners of war would be returned. (The same POW's who were so "devastated" by this attempt to get them freed sooner rather than later?)

I think this negates very clearly the argument of the President that we have to maintain a presence in Vietnam, to use as a negotiating block for the return of those prisoners. The setting of a date will accomplish that...




Mr. Kerry: Senator, if I may interject, I think that what we are trying to say is we do have a method. We believe we do have a plan, and that plan is that if this body were by some means either to permit a special referendum in this country so that the country itself might decide and therefore avoid this recrimination which people constantly refer to or if they couldn't do that, at least do it through immediate legislation which would state there would be an immediate cease-fire and we would be willing to undertake negotiations for a coalition government. But at the present moment that is not going to happen, so we are talking about men continuing to die for nothing and I think there is a tremendous moral question here which the Congress of the United States is ignoring.

The Chairman: The congress cannot directly under our system negotiate a cease-fire or anything of this kind. Under our constitutional system we can advice the President. We have to persuade the President of the urgency of taking this action. Now we have certain ways in which to proceed. We can, of course, express ourselves in a resolution or we can pass an act which directly affects appropriations which is the most concrete positive way the Congress can express itself.

But Congress has no capacity under our system to go out and negotiate a cease-fire. We have to persuade the Executive to do this for the country.

Mr. Kerry: Mr. Chairman, I realize that full well as a student of political science. I realize that we cannot negotiate treaties and I realize that even my visits in Paris, precedents had been set by Senator McCarthy and others, in a sense are on the borderline of private individuals negotiating, et cetera. I understand these things. But what I am saying is that I believe that there is a mood in this country which I know you are aware of and you have been one of the strongest critics of this war for the longest time. But I think if can talk in this legislative body about filibustering for porkbarrell programs, then we should start now to talk about filibustering for the saving of lives and of our country. (Applause.)

And this, Mr. Chairman, is what we are trying to convey.


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He had left active duty in the Navy.

bizzaro world comes again.

but before the furor starts I'd just like to thank you all for your service and for continuing to stand up for what's right, and against the forces of Shrub.

You're all a credit to DU and the liberal movement.

The first lie appears 18 words into the ad. Why are we paying attention to these characters again?

Time to move forward. Let's talk about Iraq.

FR is giggling !

After all of this TANG business, this is going to be too much.

Kerry should focus his fire on Bush at this point.

The average person hearing this will be aghast.

Forget about the fact that Henry Kissinger was meeting with these people at the same time.

Forget about the fact the JK was a private citizen deeply involved in trying to end the war.

These ads are a rotten apple and we have to find a way to choke them or counter them, or do something public to humiliate those running them.

If these guys are going to have a Pavlovian response to rightwing propaganda, they're probably not good prospects for Kerry in the first place.

Kerry needs to pound on Iraq. He can't get sucked into talking about Vietnam anymore. This is a diversion--the real target is ready to sink.

I deal with vets all the time and combat vets are hurting over this rerun and they are not going to stop it ! Its not going away ! Its Rove and GOP machine and don't think for a minute its not !

im waiting for the pentagon investigations spawned by kerry et al that validated all john kerry's statements. 1975.

I believe an investigation showed there was nothing to probe. His records are valid, all procedures followed correctly, all medals earned. Was there something else?

investigate war crimes and attrocities, which, IIRC was never put in place because the RVN government caved faster that a sand seawall in Haiti during a hurricane.
I do not believe a report was ever done, and if it was, it would have shown there were WAY more attrocities than the American people could deal with.

I can tell you few of the people I knew in the Navy believed in that war.
The sure as hell were not requesting combat assignments.

As far as the Spinboaters, I won't spare them the bandwidth. Waste of time.
If some one has some suggestions as to what we may do about them I am interested.

The war ended when I was four years old. My dad served from '69 to '70. Few events have impacted my family more dramatically than that war. The men who served aren't the only ones who took a hit from that war. The sons and daughters of those men bear the mark, I'm here to testify.

That war affected and still affect the whole family and this crap has upset every Kerry vet and vets who detest war and who actually are not bloodthirsty and saw combat up close and personal. Its affecting them ! I talked to a VA doctor just this week about those ads !

Same for all the VN vets on here !

He's the chairman of the Alabama Democratic Party. :)

My Dad was there in 68-69. I, and other kids of these Vets, grew up in the shadow of this war, and it shaped me as surely as it shaped my father. (That's an entirely different thread, but I could go on for hours about the kids of Vietnam Vets.)

These jerks need to be stopped. They (their whole party) have gotten entirely out of hand with tossing around the word traitor. It completely burns my ass (as a non-war vet). It's really pissing my Dad off too, because so many ppl figure if it's in an ad, it must be true. They need to be sued, and these ads can't make it to the air.

~~BamaGirl

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com/

By the way.......They are cooking up a bad story on Rammison as well and its coming from a 501 C and we need to talk to the IRS about this ! From Florida it is the Vietnam Veterans of Florida a Veteran organization. A person belonging can be partisian but the site cannot be nor can the organization and this I know. We would lose our status as non profit 501 if we showed partisanship.
That org in Florida Sent out some damaging info and very partisan from that website.

contact soros or moveon.org and get them to back you and use you all to do ads, or print, or internet ads or whatever will help

If it is affecting me so badly what is it doing to the vets who know the truth or at least accept the truth? My God, I am about ready to just say I can't deal anymore with this crap ! I never ever thought Vet would turn on Vet. So much for the Brotherhood. All for one man ! THE GREAT DIVIDER ! Its tearing up homes too !

I knew someone who was so traumatized in Vietnam that he committed suicide after he came back.

My kids walk into a room and if the TV is on and they are watching anything, they hear on TV about ears and such being cut off and we have no control over the ads. We would never let them watch the Kerry testimony but those ads have caused my husband flashbacks and the kids have asked me if Dad did those things and I never thought about it before but a class action lawsuit would stop them ! Its affecting mental health to people who did not even serve, let alone those who did ! THE FCC could stop it ! I f second hand smoke is bad for your health then tis has to be bad for one's mental health.

The SBL have burned themselves out.

Yes, the devout Chimpy fans that are willing to assassinate the honor of those who served this country and question the dedication of our military to award those that served in that war are pieces of shit that can die for all I care.

But most people now see through the bullshit.

All will work out with this garbage. And these scum will then hang their heads in shame when their Coward In Chief loses on Election Day.

watching 7th Heaven and this ad comes on with no warning of graphic material talking about cutting off heads and ears? What does that do to a kid who asks if Daddy did that? Or has nightmares about it. The thing to hurt a candidate is over traumatizing people, those who served and those who did not. Children don't watch congressional hearings but they do watch some TV programs. It affecting more than the voter !

Especially if you're a vet, lend us your voice and your help.

PM me please.