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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 08:10 PM
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Please help me pitch Obama's health care plan
1. lets keep it light. I am looking for a pitch for the masses. Not policy.
2. any help is much appreciated.

As near as I can tell Obama's "plan" is reform that would reduce costs, decrease the "uninsured" population, and increase competition.

Now those are goals, not a plan. Leaving the details up to congress is a very hard sell, cause congress fucks up everything it touches.

So please help me to articulate the reform plan. I am for a single payer system, but know that corporate America will never give up their profits.

How do I pitch the eventual plan to the masses? I'm out on the campaign trail every day and would love to hear how du would pitch reform while out on the stump.

thanks in advance,
mdmc
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 08:24 PM
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1. I don't think its possible to pitch an 'eventual plan.'
Depends on your goal, but may be the best you can do is to pitch Prez O: We'll get the best/only possible out of congress, reflecting the nature of politics here.

You may want to note the numerous areas where reps have misstated Prez + Dem's plans and desires.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 08:25 PM
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2. 1) Encourages people to go into business for themsevles. 2) Helps labor mobility that a free
market needs.
3) Helps our businesses compete globally. Toyota, Daimler, VW, Vauxhall, etc. don't have to pay for healthcare for their employees as GM, Ford, Chrysler, etc. do. The current system is a burden to businesses and amounts to a tax.

These reasons appeal to conservatives.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 08:37 PM
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4. thank you
peace and low stress
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 08:39 PM
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6. Back at you.
Keep up the Good Fight
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 08:33 PM
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3. Well first off, even your comment has the wrong mindset.
Edited on Wed Aug-05-09 08:35 PM by RandomThoughts
"corporate America will never give up their profits."

It is not their profits, it is money paid by working people, or by businesses that insure employees to get them health care.

And their claim that the profits are actually earned by them within a market system requires certain attributes of a market system to exist. Since the system contains both vertical and horizontal monopolies, the profits are not theirs even within the rules systems of capitalism. The only justification for their profits is that they are able to take them. Which means they operate under law of the jungle or do whatever you can get away with.

Within that system the profits are not earned but taken, so they might fight for them, but they can not say they are fighting for something that they earned, more like something they took.


There is also questioning weather the extremes of an economic system should have government regulation, or competition to moderate its excesses for the betterment of all of society, not only a few. It is also possible to argue that if it is just about money, why shouldn't everyone become thieves? Why not let anyone take whatever they want? Why have any laws? That is called Anarchy or total freedom.

But we know that doesn't work because everyone being thieves leads to a social breakdown, as does millions losing homes because of medical bankruptcies, or millions sick with out getting care, or millions having what they thought was 'coverage' denied in a deceptive fashion just for profit.

And above all that, someone that is sick should have medical care. But honestly opposition to good health reform is not just about that, it is about power and control. If people are scared they might get sick and lose their home, they are more scared of getting fired, and corporate systems have more power.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 08:37 PM
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5. point taken
thanks for the input
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wildflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 09:49 PM
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7. The idea I've been posting is "health security"
I think calling it health security accomplishes a number of things: it's simple, it gives a sense of relief, and it reminds one of social security.

Maybe if you start with that as your connecting point, you could explain the other parts in terms of that.
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