Is anyone else here starting to feel a bit of uneasiness with the political violence

that is spreading through the country?

Is anyone else worried that it is only a matter of time before someone escalates beyond shouting?

Is anyone else worried about the increased amount of violent rhetoric spewing across the country?

Is anyone else worried that too many people in the media are letting this violent undercurrent of organized thuggery increase unabated?

I wonder if the German Middle class said it was just political theater, nothing but rhetoric and beside, he is talking about what is good for the Germany people.

He is just really pro-German.

What could possibly go wrong with that?

Is anyone else worried that it can happen here?

and this is why I want the fairness doctrine restored as well. And ANYONE inciting hatred and or public violence must be removed from the public airwaves. Period.

The GOP has been pushing the violence since the days of Bill Clinton but it got really heated again during the election and now. The rallies were scary and this is really going to far.

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- Using the National Guard to kill union organizers
- Creating racist groups that murdered blacks and civil rights workers
- Using the police to beat up and harass gays
- Using the Red Scare to destroy the lives of left-wingers
- Using religion to incite people to murder abortion doctors

The right-wing is capable of being extremely dangerous.

...to suit their ends...

permanent Republican majority. Now they feel castrated and want to hit something.

thinking that nothing should be overlooked...had my own experience here in the last week or two on another site, and it's gotten me VERY concerned..some of the things I've been reading scare the living hell out of me..and that joker poster frightens me more than anything I have seen in the last 40 years...wb

truly you don't want to...wb

It's jarring, requires one to question one's own thoughts, and connects politics to media icons. It's great street art.

OTOH, those who fear it obviously know little about either the Joker, socialism, or both, as the Joker was an anarchist of an objectivist bent, a self-deluded "master of the world ruled by none", which makes no sense with the below label of socialism.

In a sense, it's almost a pro-Obama poster, as it mocks the silly efforts to paint Obama as some kind of theatrical evil, complete with silly face paint, referencing a pop-culture movie, and a silly label, rather than any serious thought or critique.

When someone gets hurt, the first people who'll pretend they had nothing to do with encouraging the luncay will be the MSM and the GOP.

their doing..and afterwards when it was deemed "misbegotten" by mainstream..the corporatemedia was like "who me?:silly:"

August is a slow month. They need something to happen and their corporate bosses are egging them on..

Let me know when it finally starts so I can make sure to buy more ammo.

I'm more worried about a melding of corporations and the media with political power...

That's a coup, not a civil war...

With all the crazy people randomly shooting, who knows what someone is planning.

like others in this thread have already said, the media is adding fuel to the fire.

Especially since Obama's a black man, and the racist attitudes towards him aren't exactly reassuring.

These goons don't need many more reasons that that one to come after him.

It sure as hell can happen here, and if it isn't stopped very quickly, it will.

K&R

It's been going on for years.

Someone is going to be seriously hurt or killed before this shit is over. Mob violence can not be controlled. The republicans have decided to play to the most unstable members of their party. Soon they no will longer control events - the events will control them.



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They will turn to some outside demagogue

All they need is to keep their base terrified that "their America" has become unrecognizable, and that Obama is the Anti-Christ. They can only succeed if the fence sitters remain on the fence, leaving it to the rest of us to fight off fascism.

And the RW has so many to choose from.

I'm afraid it's just a matter of time before someone gets shot.

I am beginning to fear for a lot of peeps safety. And the media is not helping.

If My strong advice to the treasonous Republinazis is to STFU and sit down.

I was in the curb lane. I heard, from slightly behind me, someone yell "idiot!" really loud. I looked to my left and this guy driving a pickup passes me in the left lane. The whole back of the truck was plastered with bumper stickers: "Obama's America" with a hammer & sickle; "Fear your Government" etc.

I still have my Obama sticker on my car. I think that's why he yelled at me. These whackos are getting crazier by the minute.

talk to your Jewish friends - especially the GRANDPARENTS - you'll be surprised at what they have to say about all this...

I was surprised at all...

This could only get worse. It's being fed with right wing nut jobs like Limbaugh and Fox. It could get much more serious.

Worried that democrats and liberals are going to continue to cower and capitulate to a minority of loudmouth bullies when it's crystal clear where that is leading us. The time to stand up and fight, in whatever manner is appropriate given the level of threat, is well past due.

:toast:

A pleasure to be here.

:toast:

You're wanting a civil war to break out or something? We have to snuff this not add more to it.

broken-hearted....deeply disappointed in my fellow man (republicans not calling bs on this crap- not putting a stop to it but stoking the fire)....sad to see people choosing to cling to hate instead of accept their fate (they lost, the country has moved on without them, they are not the "majority" anymore, there are different colored people among us and one of them got elected -- apparently this is much more shocking than I anticipated or understand, etc).

It's all overwhelming.

I'm trying to spend an hour or so a day doing something comforting and positive-- gardening, baking, etc. sounds stupid, but it's all I got. If I let them take joy and hope, they would win -- so spite is carrying me forward:-)

...I doubt seriously we'll have it over this.

Much worse.

...I'll stick with my original point. Although, this thing does appear ready to turn very, very ugly at any moment.

as much as a lone wolf.

I usually don't talk politics in real life, but the internet rhetoric is out of hand.

& could have been there with a kid or two.

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There are nothing around here, all safe democrats and no town Hall's scheduled...

And of maintaining order.

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Then it becomes crime.

ccncerned...

If there actually IS someone running the meeting.

Every well-run meeting has a chairperson or moderator who has and is willing to exercise the authority to eject people who are not complying with the basic rules of order and ground rules of the meeting.

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It's already peaked at violence at these places. People are rioting and hurting other people. Apparently 6 people were arrested---2 for assault and others for disorderly conduct with countless people hurt. This is most definitely violence.

it already escalated beyond shouting.

Three police officers were killed in Pittsburgh by a Stormfront member, Glenn Beck follower, who feared Obama would change "America as we know it" and also take his guns away.

A security guard was gunned down and killed at the Holocaust Museum by a white supremacist.

Two police officers were killed in Florida, again by another man "distressed by Obama winning the election", and of course fear that his guns would be taken away.

In Brockton, Massachusetts two people were killed by a white supremacist who claimed to have enough ammunition to kill as many non-white people as possible. He was worried about the demise of the white race following the election of a black president.

And then there's Dr. Tiller, and we all know what "news" channel devoted so much time to villifying him.

If we want to go back to last year, we can include the killings at the Knoxville Unitarian Universalist church. He believed all liberals and Democrats should be killed. His manifesto reads like a script from FoxNews.

The media spent more time denouncing the memo about right-wing extremists than they did covering these stories. Fox portrays the President (and ACORN!) as the scariest thing since Hitler, while either ignoring these killers and their motivations, or trying desperately to convince everyone the killers were liberals or that their screeds were planted by liberals to make conservatives look bad.


Yeah, I'm worried too. :(

Hannity is doing a major hit job on Obama this Sunday night, which will add fuel to the whack jobs that already whipped up. It's frightening.

Their hate Frankenstein is spiraling out of control. It's surreal.

There is a key difference between us and the Weimar Republic. In the Weimar Republic, the Reichswehr (The Armed forces) answered to no one, they were out for themselves and no one else. Hence, when it served their purposes to defend the republic against RW hacks (as it mostly did in the 1920's) they did, when it did not after the Depression, they sided with Hitler. The US Military, for all its problems, has had a remarkable track record of loyalty to the constitution and the duly elected authorities. Without the military, these loons at best can start shooting, bringing down law enforcement on their rear ends like the hammer of God, and discrediting themselves in the eyes of the American people.

Once they drag a couple of kids, or a mother of three out of one of these town halls in a body bag because some psycho was so incensed about the President's birth certificate, or government healthcare that he felt the need to shoot some people, you will watch these fools get screwed. It's like the militia movement, they still exist, and are likely thriving at this moment, but they were thriving up until Oklahoma City too, something about taking the mangled bodies of 17 children from a pile of rubble that was once their day care center that just doesn't scream patriotism to most Americans.

Some of the people the msm is showing at the town halls are frightened and frightening. They have been frightened by McCain, Palin and all of the right wing talk shows and helped along by the media. They are delusional. They truly believe a Democratic President is bringing some type of socialism to America. It's "not their America anymore". Whatever in the hell that means to people.

I'm worried because many of these people are simply ignorant of the facts and don't want to hear or believe the facts. It appears they were sent there (probably paid) to take up space and simply shout empty words. They don't understand the issues and they don't want to understand the issues. The status quo is just fine for them. They don't want change, they didn't vote for change and change is scary to them.

We're seeing a really ugly side of America right now.

This too shall pass.

There may be some idiots out there, but they are very much in the minority. There may be a few incidents (killing abortion doctors and angry town hall meetings was going on long before President Obama was elected), but it will be small.

So no...I am no more worried about this than I was when people were freaking out that Bushit would cancel elections or some other constitutional violation.

At least that is how I choose to look at it.

And as far as right-wing nuthood passing, it hasn't yet done so in the history of this country. And there's a long bloody trail of bodies that extends across the globe that this nuthood has left in its wake. We are a well-armed country and just the ordinary toll of murder and assault is bad enough. The last thing we need is to add right-wing political paranoia to an already combustible mix.

The Iraq War was just the latest large-scale example - a misguided war, based on doctored intelligence, with the media and half the Democratic party asleep at the wheel, that has caused more than a million deaths, designed nearly in toto by the right-wing political-industrial-media complex. The whole crowd of cynical right-wing politicians can swing public opinion, we know that, and entrench themselves in government as well as fomenting the kinds of unrest we're seeing at the town halls.

How many shootings like those in Pittsburgh or D.C. would it take to reach the level of significance, in your mind?

The pattern of racism and xenophobia being played as wedge issues is one of our biggest social problems, in my opinion. Those few idiots out there, as you describe them, wield a lot of power. American history gives us plenty of reasons to take right-wing agitation seriously. I do, and so should you.

that which they are most afraid of...Gun confiscation, martial law, etc...and when it does happen, it will not be "their" fault, it will be someone else's...wb

They look more barbaric, crude and ineffective daily. You have to remember that they are the minority and have always been the minority, they are adults throwing a temper-tantrum because they lost control; and they did so by their own hand.

Stand up to the fuckers, or they will just carry on like this. FUCK THEM, THEY LOST.

Should have done it a long time ago.

They are on the offense again. Not really credible to the main stream. No wimping out plz :)

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See this DU thread about an essay on Neiwart's website: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6253223
Direct link to the essay, which is by Sara, who writes the blog at the site: http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2009/08/fascist-america-are-we-there-yet.html


(others have been very worried as well)

I'm personally not going to be intimidated & I don't think any Dem should be, because that's victory for the idiots. OTOH, I am keeping a close eye on these idiots.

Im not worried about a takeover, in the brownshirt style. There are too many of us who are watching, I think. But I am worried about the violence may get focused on certain persons who's safety I believe to be important. Our President. The speaker of the house. Our newest supreme court justice.

I saw that Rachel Maddow compared Brooks Brothers to this shit going on. In some cases she was right, on another avenue, she's wholly wrong. These people aren't fake----the organizers are, the people involved aren't and they will go to whatever limits possible to ensure Obama fails or a democratic senator pays the price. People like that should be jailed. I want Glenn Beck in prison and those of his ilk. They are not even inciting violence, it's reached a point where they are ensuring and enabling violence.

The media writing their own story? I don't watch them anymore. Only when I want to see what the lie or the big build-up is that day - like a big march on DC of 15 pink dressed people or something, made to look like 80,000. Nah...

Sticks and stones breaking bones on the other hand would be war with the enemy, and that enemy includes the media spewing this propaganda.

But so far the killers have had enough underlying mental illness to be labelled as lone kooks. Except that they are not acting alone. They are being egged on.