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Empowerer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 09:12 AM
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If black people were behaving like this, it would be called "rioting," not "protesting"
And we all know it.

Post-racial America, my you-know-what.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 09:15 AM
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1. Oh my. GOOD point! And if it were women they'd be "shrill." Well said. nt
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 01:23 PM
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27. Or acting hysterically.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 01:27 PM
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29. Especially if they'd had hysterectomies. nt
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 09:13 PM
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85. Or have "Histrionic Personality Disorder".
Edited on Sat Aug-08-09 09:13 PM by Odin2005
:crazy:
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 05:57 PM
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37. There are women involved in these protests. Some of the craziest ones have been women
But as usual, don't let the facts stop you from trying to steer YET ANOTHER conversation about racism to sexism.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 06:26 PM
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38. I agree whole heartedly in the original post. Absolutely.
Edited on Fri Aug-07-09 06:35 PM by Captain Hilts
The press can't handle anything other than white men.

People on DU rarely recognize sexism when they see it or say it.

It's that simple.

And, yes, there are women invovled. Women are not a bloc of anything.
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 06:48 PM
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39. Then if you would be so kind as to create your own thread specifically discussing sexism
and not repeatedly attempt to steer conversations about racism to discussions of sexism, that would probably be more productive in your attempts to "educate" people about sexism.

And I say this as someone who experiences BOTH -isms on a regular basis.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 06:54 PM
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40. Those threads sink quickly. Folks don't care.
Edited on Fri Aug-07-09 06:54 PM by Captain Hilts
I've seen racism at its ugliest. I went to three schools in three different states that had racial riots. The reason for those riots was valid.

Most people here don't give a shit about sexism. Sexism and racism are linked - as the Pittsburgh shootings show. A man shot a room ful of women and folks here wanted to discuss his racism. Absolutely, but let's give the women he shot and the motivation behind the shootings its day.

We're on the same side, just different schedules.

keep the faith.
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 07:07 PM
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41. In the thread about the gym shooter, both -isms should have been discussed
Because both were germane to the shooter's obvious insanity. And I'm pretty sure that someone posted a really good follow-up OP that solely referenced the shooter's sexism and obvious issues with women. Was on the Greatest Page with almost 80 recs, I think.

In this thread, the topic is racism.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 12:46 PM
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83. Here you go...
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 02:38 PM
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84. You should post this excellent article as a separate OP
Edited on Sat Aug-08-09 02:40 PM by Number23
and again STOP trying to steer this conversation about racism to sexism.

I'd really like to discuss the Herbert piece, but not here.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 09:42 PM
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59. exactly - we each (ladies, blacks, gay people) know that if it our type of charateristic
that was doing what they're doing at these forums, we'd be called terrorists or rioters.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 09:25 AM
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2. Katrina: Blacks "looted." Whites "found."
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 10:04 AM
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8. exactly..white folks are enterprising & find things
others??

they break in and steal stuff:grr:
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 09:27 AM
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3. hell, they don't even have to leave their own house!
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 10:25 AM
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11. "Stop being tumultuous, sir!"
Out come the handcuffs.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 09:29 AM
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4. or if they were all wearing pink shirts.
remember the phony bush events, people. people were barred for the bumperstickers on their cars. and tossed for politely asking hard questions.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 09:34 AM
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5. Excellent point
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holiday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 09:53 AM
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6. you are right
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 09:58 AM
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7. But since they're corporate zombies, everything is ok.
Good point!
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 10:06 AM
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9. Excellent point, can't be repeated enough. n/t
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 10:09 AM
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10. Amen. The white guy grinning beside the effigy of the hung Congressman -- why is he not in jail now?
No way to get away with that if he were not white.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 06:46 AM
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88. The perfect illustration of WHITE PRIVILEGE this all is...
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 10:28 AM
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12. Your ass?
Just say it.

Post-racial America, my ASS!

:thumbsup:
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 10:45 AM
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13. K&R&T
T=twittered!

:kick:
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 10:47 AM
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14. Recommend
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TokenQueer Donating Member (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 10:53 AM
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15. Why isn't Lou Dobbs referring to these goons as anarchists?
That seems to be his catch all label for any protesters.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 11:14 AM
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16. You are making a very good point
That needs to be made.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 11:17 AM
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17. Sadly, you are correct!
:-(
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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 11:19 AM
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18. they would have been arrested at hello
especially if they were standing in their own living rooms.
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 12:29 PM
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19. truth
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 12:44 PM
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20. You got that right...
police would have been called in, arrests made, etc. etc.

Seems to be a bunch of old bald white dudes...
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 12:59 PM
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21. Unfortuantely.. I think you are right..
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 01:03 PM
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22. Absolutely.
The racist double standard is still alive and strong.

Remember Katrina, when whites "found" supplies in abandoned stores, while blacks "looted" them?

It's the same message, same attitude, same double standard, and the same fearmongering, ginned up by the powerful who will always fight to keep that power.

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4lbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 01:06 PM
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23. Pretty much on the mark with this one.
If this were a bunch of black protestors, we'd be hearing from the right how all "these people" were being "uppity", and should be happy with the government cheese and food stamps.

We'd also see the police beat the crap out of them.



However, since it is a bunch of easily-fooled white people supported by large corporate interests and the health insurance lobby, they are simply "concerned Americans standing up for their rights".

The police just stand by and watch, instead of arresting them for disorderly conduct; you know, the same charge Crowley arrested Gates on.

:eyes:
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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 01:12 PM
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24. Don't forget the riot gear, the pepper spray, the taser guns, fire hoses...
All of these would be present if a group of protesting African-Americans showed up at a Republican town hall meeting to protest.
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Kind of Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 01:25 PM
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28. You beat me to it. There would be no 2nd time.
Law enforcement would be out in force at every meeting prepared to keep the peace.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 07:56 PM
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46. Don't forget the dogs. n/t
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CoffinEd Donating Member (248 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 01:16 PM
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25. Right On!
And I'm sure the protesters actions would be labeled "disorderly conduct" at best and outright "savage behavior" at worst. Not to mention that most of the so-called "mainstream media" would rush to initiate a national discussion about the troubling images from the town hall meetings, and the negative consequences for America as a whole.

Same old same old.

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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 01:19 PM
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26. Hell, if *democrats* were behaving like this it would be called rioting.
And we'd all be sent to the nearest Free Speech Zone.
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Tulio Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 01:44 PM
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30. I Notice Quite a Bit of this Perception Re-framing
And I appreciate that you've pointed it out. I've been reading your posts since the Gates *situation* and love your directness.

I wonder...I don't have enough posts to make my own thread. And today I've been trying to communicate with the members of this board so that this community can help me. I am at a loss as to how I can request help from DUers...I apologize for hijacking your thread. I really need someone to PM me so I can go into more detail regarding my problem...it's embarrassing and I don't want to place it in this post.

I am a Black woman, professional, 47 years old...and I am homeless today.

Please help me. It may seem crazy to ask for help from strangers. But desperate times and measures, as it were. I am being as resourceful as I can. I just want someone here to post a thread for me and explain my situation. I don't have anyone else to turn to. I'm in Chicago and posting this from the Library.

~ Tulio
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 02:08 PM
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31. so true...and there would be plenty of arrests
and probably a few "i was afraid for my life" shootings.
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Sheltiemama Donating Member (892 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 04:06 PM
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32. Good point.
I hadn't thought of that, but you're right. I saw footage today of a town hall yesterday. The level of hatred is scary.
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Autonomy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 04:41 PM
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33. And since they are mostly white male
they are called fascists. It seems to all work out equally.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 05:11 PM
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34. if Obama said this the whore media would demand he apologize
just like when he mentioned that black and hispanic men are regularly stopped because of their race.

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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 05:26 PM
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35. and police would react with force
k/r

:kick:
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 05:54 PM
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36. DAMN. RIGHT. They'd all be in jail or in the hospital from sucking up tear gas
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 07:10 PM
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42. You know it. n/t
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tinkerbell41 Donating Member (722 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 07:26 PM
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43. You are correct!!!
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santamargarita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 07:33 PM
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44. It's not protesting, it's Town Hall Terrorism
Health Insurance Sponsored Fascism!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 07:00 AM
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 07:36 PM
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45. I don't think so. Rioting involves intentional damage to property or persons.
The "riots" I've seen on TV thru the years are groups of people bashing in car windows, setting things on fire, etc., in addition to yelling and screaming.

What I DO think some people would think, if they were black, is...well, there "they" go again. You know how "they" are. "They" don't know how to act properly in a public meeting.
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 08:39 PM
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50. And there YOU go again.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 08:44 PM
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51. ROFLMAO!!!!!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 07:58 PM
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47. Nail on the head! n/t
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 08:07 PM
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48. What is the important point of all this? It's hard to be Black. n/t
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 08:34 PM
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49. Super duper bingo! Rioting AND LOOTING! nt
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NoSheep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 08:55 PM
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52. Damn straight.
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mckara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 08:56 PM
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53. Shouldn't They Send Domestic Terrorists to Gitmo?
n/t
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cadmium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 09:05 PM
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54. Good Good Point n/t
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deep1 Donating Member (252 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 09:05 PM
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55. Hell yeah! Double standards.


Don't forget Hurricane Katrina----blacks loot, whites search for food :eyes: :eyes:
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napoleon_in_rags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 09:28 PM
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56. Good point.
All this has woken me up to the fact that racism is still going on.
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nikto Donating Member (414 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 09:33 PM
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57. What if they were GAY, BLACK, WOMEN??
Instant arrest as Terrorists.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 09:44 PM
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60. I just mentioned the gay black female thing above, didn't see your post - exactly - they'd really go
batshit nuts about 'em in the press...

"anti-American African homosexual terrorists!!!!"
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 02:30 PM
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89. I've been ROFLMAO ALL DAY flitting from one absurd scenario to another...
Edited on Sun Aug-09-09 02:31 PM by Karenina
Dateline Jesusland-- Republican Congresscritter and grass-roots constituents TURRURIZED by... RIOTOUS, TUMULTUOS THEMS!!!

Mrs. T: It was Awful. When Rep. Critter started speaking we all heard another voice in unison. Turns out it was this HE/SHE/IT, I dunno... Everything our beloved Critter said... It was like this CREATURE KNEW what he was going to say before he said it. And THEN IT SCREAMED, "Y'all KNOW this is all BULLSHIT, dontcha?"

Bubba: Well, I was jes gonna take that thing out cuz I was exisisin' ny 2nd Amenment RIGHTS but suddenly all these grey-haired hippies surrounded me singin' "A-men" I was askeered for my life! They kept SINGING louder and louder!

Barb: Hell I called 911 as soon as I saw the sombreros outside!!! Told 'em I was a WHITE WOMAN, there was n*****s runnin' wild an' loose in the streets and to send a swat team. They were there in 30 seconds. G_d Bless Amurikka!

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
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jmondine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 09:36 PM
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58. It would be called "Why the police brought out their riot gear and tazers"
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 09:45 PM
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61. Remember the term "wilding"?
Only applied to one group (hint: not these RW lunatics). Just like Katrina victims were "refugees", as if they came from a foreign country, not "evacuees".
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Caoimhe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 09:58 PM
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62. so true
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 10:11 PM
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63. Great point! Reminds me of something we used to say in college . . .
"When black people run through the streets, break windows, tip over cars and set fires, it's a riot.

When white people do it - it's Homecoming."
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 10:36 PM
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64. Yup
Just like "survivors and looters".
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busybl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 10:37 PM
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65. with plenty of busted heads
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 10:39 PM
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66. Exactly what I was about to post. You better believe it. People
would have been hauled off to jail and beaten.
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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 10:45 PM
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67. some protesters would be dead by now
if we're having an honest look at the state of the Union. :(
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 02:24 AM
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75. Sorry to agree. nt
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 10:55 PM
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68. Exactly right, Empowerer. Well said!!
Recommend.
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angee_is_mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 10:59 PM
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69. A bunch of THUGS
A bunch of race-mongering Thugs is what they would be called.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 11:17 PM
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70. Without a shadow of a doubt!
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Dystopian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-07-09 11:40 PM
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71. KandR.
Sad but true.

peace~
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NoSheep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 12:32 AM
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72. If hippies were behaving like this they'd be zapped with tasers.
Edited on Sat Aug-08-09 12:34 AM by NoSheep
Just adding that to the bullshit we're already dealing with.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 02:17 AM
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73. If democrats acted like that they'd be called 5th columnists
Edited on Sat Aug-08-09 02:19 AM by Hubert Flottz
by the likes of Senator Lindsey Graham.

U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee Holds a Hearing on Wartime Executive Power and the National Security Agency's Surveillance Authority

snip...

"And the administration has not only the right, but the duty, in my opinion, to pursue fifth column movements."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/07/AR2006020700731.html



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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 02:19 AM
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74. We should illustrate this for the M$M
All we need do is get enough black people willing to disrupt a GOP public meeting and film the results. It would not be pretty. But, it would be a teachable moment. :rofl:
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PatrynXX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 03:37 AM
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76. IF IT WERE DEMS PROTESTING THE COPS WOULD BE OUT IN FULL FORCE.
do you see them anywhere? except excorting some dem leaders out of the building?

And besides the protests from the democrats were massively bigger than anything these tiny protests have cooked up.

One major difference, left wing protests protested until the cops (like say the Twin Cities) provoked a riot. Then Minnesota became China real quick. For the most part protesters there simply ran. Some however couldn't take police beating up innocent protesters and started beating up on the cops. It was rare, but it happened. Although Even that fighting back is contrary with what the book The End Of America is about.
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 03:40 AM
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77. +1
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 08:23 AM
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79. Totally Agree. Happily Recommend.
First black guy gets out of line he gets tazered and shot. White guy gets accomodated.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 08:51 AM
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80. great point
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annm4peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 09:08 AM
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81. and if they were a peace group
they would raid the organizers and distributers of the emails and throw them in jail charge them with *conspiracy" to riots and acts of terrorism.

http://www.terrorizingdissent.org/
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 09:15 AM
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82. Yep...
Absolutely...

:evilfrown:
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 09:15 PM
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86. During Katrina African-Americans were called "looters" and whites "found" things.
:puke:
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Lord Helmet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 04:11 PM
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90. I remember that:
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keep_it_real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 10:14 PM
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87. Two town halls turn into near-riots
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2009/08/07/town_halls/?source=refresh

Now, the tension is really starting to erupt, and on Thursday night, two of the town halls turned violent.

At one, a forum on aging held in St. Louis County by Rep. Russ Carnahan, D-Mo., six people -- one of them a reporter -- were arrested. Two people, one conservative and one staffer with the Service Employees International Union, were reportedly sent to the hospital with minor injuries sustained during scuffles at the event.

In Ybor City, Fla., there were similar scuffles, some of which were reportedly broken up by law enforcement, but no arrests.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 04:45 PM
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91. k&r
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 12:05 PM
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92. kicked
:kick:
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