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Democrat 4 Ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 10:21 AM
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Richard Clarke on The Daily Show last night
Plugging the paperback copy of his book. (Good book - read the hardback - new soft cover has more stuff about the 9/11 report - which supports EVERYTHING he said first in the book). Got in some very salient points about this administration, etc. The most important thing he said during the "interview" is that Bush & Co. have plans to invade Iran next. This has been mentioned before but why aren't the citizens raising bloody hell and make BushCo answer a few questions? How many wars do they have planned? Really.

I have five lovely granddaughters and I certainly don't want to see any of them fighting an oil war for this bunch of morons. They are all still in high school and younger but I was in the fifth grade when Viet Nam started and by the time that war was over there were over 56,0000 dead, many, many more injured. In that timeframe I had graduated elementary, middle School, high school, married, (husband drafted but never left stateside), two children, lost classmates and spent more hours than I even want to recall watching body bag after body come come back to the states. I clearly remember staying up all night, crying like a fool as I wanted the POWs deplane and touch American soil again. But for what? What did these millions of soldiers and their families suffer for? This time around if "they" think they are going to get the grandkids they are wrong - very wrong. If I have to hog tie them and drag their sweet little behinds to Canada they are going.

NO MORE dying for ill-advised, senseless wars - not by my kids - not by anyone's children. Enough.
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 10:25 AM
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1. Santorum is sponsoring legislation for "regime change" in Iran
"The Iranians have a nuclear weapons program," Powell said in a recent interview, "and I keep telling everybody it is the responsibility of the international community to apply all the pressure we can." With Iran policy in a state of flux, there is a drive among conservatives to reach out to Iranian dissidents and exiles seeking to overthrow the Iranian government, much as efforts were made with Iraqis in the 1990s. Senator Rick Santorum, a Pennsylvania Republican, is sponsoring legislation for "regime change," with what some say is the tacit backing of administration conservatives.
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Last year, when it was trying to reach out to Tehran for cooperation on Iraq, the administration stated that it did not support "regime change" in Iran, though Bush also spoke out in favor of greater democracy there. Administration officials say there was an internal debate last year but that the idea of giving aid to dissidents who might try to overthrow the Iranian government had been dropped for lack of any credible groups to support.
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Yet the cause of "regime change" in Iran is expected to revive if Bush is re-elected, administration officials say. Leading the charge is John Bolton, the under secretary of state for nonproliferation, who gave a speech last month saying that Iran's conduct did not "bode well for the success of a negotiated approach to dealing with this issue."

http://www.iht.com/articles/539809.html
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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 10:31 AM
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3. omg. it begins...
what a wretched man Santorum is.
--another PA Dem
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 12:35 PM
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10. Welcome to DU wendyvic !
What part of PA? I'm in Westmoreland County (about 20 mi. east of Pittsburgh).

We HAVE to get rid of Santorum.
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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 02:53 PM
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15. I'm in Phila--hello over there!
That man just give me chills, esp. the fact that he's so young. So much time left to do his damage. Can you imagine what he'll be like when his views HARDEN?
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lefty_WOHM Donating Member (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 03:32 PM
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19. I'm in Philly, too!
:hi:
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 04:32 PM
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24. Welcome to DU, lefty!
You'll love it here. The pace is really picking up, now.
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 03:59 PM
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22. Hi wendyvic!
:hi: Luzerne Co., Northeastern PA here. :)

Why can't the PA Dems find somebody to beat that creepy Santorectum?
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 10:48 AM
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8. The truth about dogs and Muslims
Mr. SANTORUM. Madam President, I rise today to introduce the Puppy Protection Act of 2001. Introduction of this legislation comes as a continuation of my interest in the protection and humane treatment of animals, specifically, dogs and puppies. In short, the Puppy Protection Act will crack down on breeders who are negligent in their responsibilities of breeding dogs in a healthy and humane environment, already required by law.
http://santorum.senate.gov/Issues/Agriculture/Animal/crs.html

Come on guys, where's that yellow ribbon spirit? Weren't you cheering the president when he exchanged a primordial "Huah!" with an air hanger full of fist-pumping Marines last spring? When he strapped on that Air Force-issue jock strap? Did you think sensitivity workshops and Islamic culture classes were part of basic training? Who do you think was scrawling "Happy Ramadan" and "Die Camel Fuckers" on those 500-pound bombs during Operation Desert Fox? The French Department at Yale?
Those engaged in increasingly desperate attempts to establish the un-American-ness of Abu Ghraib received some unexpected help from Nick Berg's executioners last week. When news of the Berg video hit Washington during a hearing on the prison abuse, newly energized Pennsylvania Sen. RICK SANTORUM leapt up to announce, "If anyone wants to know what we're fighting and why we're fighting this war on terror, this is a good example of it." As with Lieberman's previous remarks, nobody thought to remind the senator that 9/11 and the "war on terror" have no reality-based connection to the mess we've created in Iraq. Nor did anyone mention that Berg's killers explicitly cited the humiliations of Abu Ghraib before cutting off the lad's head.
In most democracies, SANTORUM would have been pilloried for getting his wars mixed up again. But he knew that wouldn't happen. The opportunity was clear: For a confused country eager to scrub out the "stain" of Abu Ghraib, Berg's violent murder provided a kind of industrial-strength detergent, one that would remove dirt and brighten those Reds, Whites and Blues. It shifted the emphasis back onto some vague and savage Islamist threat, to be fought from Syracuse to Syria. Did the video not prove that we're still the civilized ones in Iraq, even if countless Iraqi men have been beaten and raped with Army issue glow sticks, their Muslim wives made to "show us your tits"? When we dismember noncombatants, don't we have the good sense to use bombs instead of blades, then destroy the evidence?
http://www.nypress.com/17/20/news&columns/zaitchik.cfm
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lefty_WOHM Donating Member (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 01:16 PM
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12. I am truly embarrassed that Santorum is one of my Senators
from another PA Dem

BTW--What are your thoughts on Specter vs Hoeffel? Unfortunately, I don't really think Hoeffel has a chance. That seniority card is just too persuasive.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 01:35 PM
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13. Hi lefty_WOHM!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 01:52 PM
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14. From the state that brought you John Kerry
I'm truly embarrassed that Rick "Man on Dog" Santorum is one of your senators as well.

:evilgrin:
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lefty_WOHM Donating Member (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 03:33 PM
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20. Oh, gee, thanks
;)
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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 03:03 PM
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16. I go back and forth on Specter...
He's had a long career, always moderate, and except for his Anita Hill disgrace, not bad. Quite aside from the seniority thing, I'm thinking it's not a bad idea to hang on to a moderate Repub, endangered species that they are. He's a thinking man, and I think he has an ethical sense that motivates him. Maybe that's why the RWers are working so hard to drive him out.
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lefty_WOHM Donating Member (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 03:31 PM
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18. That's been my thinking as well
I tried to go to his site once to see how he actually stood on the issues, but could not find anything. Do you know of a good site for that?

I do take it as a good sign that the RWers were trying to put up a different candidate. He can't be too bad if he pisses them off, right?
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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 10:29 AM
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2. If I were you I'd send that to every newspaper you can
Starting with "I have five lovely granddaughters" right through to "enough". It's very powerful.

I am convinced that the media have to hear our voices rising. Even if our letters go into the bin now, they leave an impression which I think will eventually turn the tide.
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liberal_in_GA Donating Member (439 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 10:31 AM
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6. I saw Clarke, too
and I think Iran could be a huge issue. If John Q. Public knew that Bushie was planning another war, there is NO WAY in hell he would get reselected. Why isn't Kerry making a stink about this? Is he waiting for the right moment?
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Democrat 4 Ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 04:19 PM
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23. Thank you.
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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 10:31 AM
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4. Thanks for reminding us about those times.
I'm with you, Grams. The Viet Nam war was the reason I decided not to have children. I knew I wouldn't be able to stand it if they grew up only to be killed in a war or grew up to be tortured because they killed other innocents in a war. You're braver than I. I'm with you, not anyone's children ever again.

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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 10:51 AM
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9. Santorum, just before the man-dog comment.
Every society in the history of man has upheld the institution of marriage as a bond between a man and a woman. Why? Because society is based on one thing: that society is based on the future of the society. And that's what? Children.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2003/04/22/national1737EDT0668.DTL
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 10:31 AM
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5.  Earlier this year Clarke came onto the scene with a bang and had Condi on
the ropes. Since then, the media has somewhat revived her credibility with the public. Clarke's returning will put a spike in the heart of that vampire.

"Against All Enemies" paperback, the Michael Moore F/911 DVDs and the upcoming debates will be our trifecta.
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Worst Username Ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 10:34 AM
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7. Watch for the invasion of Fallujeh (sp) right after the campaign, provided
that * wins. Another interesting point by Clarke.
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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 12:57 PM
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11. Heh. Our sig files are remarkably similar.
Edited on Wed Sep-22-04 12:58 PM by Greyskye
I used to have that same quote in there, until I replaced it with the one by Poppy.
And that was a good TDS last night. Clarke looked really relaxed.
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Worst Username Ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 03:15 PM
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17. It is easy to be relaxed when you are telling the truth.
Jeebus, has you seen * SWEATING lately?
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blueblitzkrieg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-04 03:34 PM
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21. Heads up - Clarke is on Randi Rhodes right now too n/t
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