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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-15-09 04:09 PM
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Medicare doesn't cover dental? How does this compare to Canada?
Medicare Dental Coverage Overview

Currently, Medicare will pay for dental services that are an integral part either of a covered procedure (e.g., reconstruction of the jaw following accidental injury), or for extractions done in preparation for radiation treatment for neoplastic diseases involving the jaw. Medicare will also make payment for oral examinations, but not treatment, preceding kidney transplantation or heart valve replacement, under certain circumstances. Such examination would be covered under Part A if performed by a dentist on the hospital's staff or under Part B if performed by a physician.

Statutory Dental Exclusion

Section 1862 (a)(12) of the Social Security Act states, "where such expenses are for services in connection with the care, treatment, filling, removal, or replacement of teeth or structures directly supporting teeth, except that payment may be made under part A in the case of inpatient hospital services in connection with the provision of such dental services if the individual, because of his underlying medical condition and clinical status or because of the severity of the dental procedure, requires hospitalization in connection with the provision of such services."

Background

The dental exclusion was included as part of the initial Medicare program. In establishing the dental exclusion, Congress did not limit the exclusion to routine dental services, as it did for routine physical checkups or routine foot care, but instead it included a blanket exclusion of dental services.

The Congress has not amended the dental exclusion since 1980 when it made an exception for inpatient hospital services when the dental procedure itself made hospitalization necessary.

Coverage Principle

Coverage is not determined by the value or the necessity of the dental care but by the type of service provided and the anatomical structure on which the procedure is performed.

Services Excluded under Part B

The following two categories of services are excluded from coverage:

A primary service (regardless of cause or complexity) provided for the care, treatment, removal, or replacement of teeth or structures directly supporting teeth, e.g., preparation of the mouth for dentures, removal of diseased teeth in an infected jaw.

A secondary service that is related to the teeth or structures directly supporting the teeth unless it is incident to and an integral part of a covered primary service that is necessary to treat a non-dental condition (e.g., tumor removal) and it is performed at the same time as the covered primary service and by the same physician/dentist. In those cases in which these requirements are met and the secondary services are covered, Medicare does not make payment for the cost of dental appliances, such as dentures, even though the covered service resulted in the need for the teeth to be replaced, the cost of preparing the mouth for dentures, or the cost of directly repairing teeth or structures directly supporting teeth (e.g., alveolar process).

Exceptions to Services Excluded

The extraction of teeth to prepare the jaw for radiation treatment of neoplastic disease.

An oral or dental examination performed on an inpatient basis as part of comprehensive workup prior to renal transplant surgery or performed in a RHC/FQHC prior to a heart valve replacement.

Definition

Structures directly supporting the teeth means the periodontium, which includes the gingivae, periodontal membrane, cementum of the teeth, and the alveolar bone (i.e. alveolar process and tooth sockets).






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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-15-09 04:14 PM
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1. I give up how does it compare to Canada?
I thought I read something that the conservatives wanted it expanded to include it.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-15-09 04:22 PM
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2. And Medicare is for people 65 and up...the time when
their teeth, eyes and hearing are deteriorating. What's with that? To be logical, teeth, eye care and hearing should have been put at the top of the list of covered care for the elderly. Time they started doing just that.
I've also noted that some congresscritters are saying those electric wheel chair things (can't think of the name right now) should not be covered. I've seen many people in my area using them. It enables them to get outside and take a "walk" in the fresh air. For many people, these are essential tools. I realize the old wheelchairs worked, but those are unstable in an outside environment, easily tipped over and if the person in it is disabled that can be a real tragedy.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-15-09 04:25 PM
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3. HR 676 which is an improved and comprehensive Medicare coverage for all does
include dental and vision. However, no one in these committees, who have our health care in their hands, want to look at it. Even if they still want to do the insurance exchange program, it would be an excellent public option to offer to people who want it.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-15-09 05:08 PM
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7. It's going to be interesting to see the CBO score on the bill. n/t



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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-15-09 05:31 PM
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9. Here's a hint in the bill itself.
subtitle B—Funding

SEC. 211. Overview: funding the USNHI Program.

(a) In general.—The USNHI Program is to be funded as provided in subsection (c)(1).

(b) USNHI Trust Fund.—There shall be established a USNHI Trust Fund in which funds provided under this section are deposited and from which expenditures under this Act are made.

(c) Funding.—

(1) In general.—There are appropriated to the USNHI Trust Fund amounts sufficient to carry out this Act from the following sources:

(A) Existing sources of Federal government revenues for health care.

(B) Increasing personal income taxes on the top 5 percent income earners.

(C) Instituting a modest and progressive excise tax on payroll and self-employment income.

(D) Instituting a small tax on stock and bond transactions.

(2) System savings as a source of financing.—Funding otherwise required for the Program is reduced as a result of—

(A) vastly reducing paperwork; and

(B) requiring a rational bulk procurement of medications under section 205(a).

(3) Additional annual appropriations to USNHI program.—Additional sums are authorized to be appropriated annually as needed to maintain maximum quality, efficiency, and access under the Program.


http://www.johnconyers.com/hr676text

Also cutting the administrative costs from 30% in the private sector to 3% that it would cost to run this program would be a big help as well. However, don't hold your breathe waiting for the CBO report on this to be made public. When they see how much less costly it is to run, it will be suppressed or discredited just like everything else regarding a single payer option has been.
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-15-09 04:33 PM
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5. I've had an electric "cart" since 2004 that my insurance company
paid for, it enabled me to work another year, and also was the only way I could shop, get out of house, even just to walk the dog. It is the single most important piece of equipment that helped me. Now I am too ill to use it and must rely on someone to push me in a wheelchair, but for four years it was wonderful.

They mean the world to those who cannot walk.
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WePurrsevere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-15-09 05:04 PM
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6. It's also for the disabled who often...
have increased issues with their teeth because of medications, no less not being able to afford care needed.

Currently electric scooters/wheelchairs are covered by Medicare only if you need them to work or get around the house. If you can get around inside your own home but need it to enjoy life outside the home other then a job you're SOL.

I used to enjoy gardening, wandering around stores, going on walks, flea markets, farmers markets, fairs, etc but am now limited to doing only going places where they already have scooters to get around. Advocates for the disabled have been trying to get Medicare to cover them even if only needed outside the home.

The other problem with the "old wheelchairs" is that if you have certain disabilities (MS, Lupus, Parkinson's that effect your arms and/or whole body with weakness/fatigue) you are pretty dependent on someone else to always push you.. you lose a great deal of independence that way and it takes it tole on your self esteem and image as well.

Don't even get me going on the lack of dental care with Medicare. Issues with dental (and optical) care should be an integral part of ALL health care plans because dental issues are not just about cosmetics and feeling good about oneself. Poor dental health can = poor physical health too.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-15-09 04:29 PM
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4. No Dental in BC
Edited on Sat Aug-15-09 04:33 PM by Oregone
No big deal. Supplemental insurance plans are super affordable and offered by most employers. For the poor, there is public coverage.

The Medicare plan here (covers everyone) is pretty streamlined. It keeps it cheap with no copays and deductibles (something associated with dental care traditionally).
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-15-09 05:09 PM
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8. Ah, so there is a private insurance infrastructure for dental. Interesting. n/t
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-15-09 10:04 PM
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10. No dental in Ontario.
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