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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 09:11 AM
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Sebelius: There will be competition with private insurers

Sebelius: There will be competition with private insurers

From CNN Associate Producer Martina Stewart

WASHINGTON (CNN) – A day after President Obama appeared to suggest that his administration might be open to health care reform legislation that does not include a public health insurance option, one of Obama’s top aides on the issue left the door open to accepting nonprofit health insurance co-ops, a proposal that has gained traction in bipartisan negotiations in the Senate Finance Committee.

“I think there will be a competition to private insurers,” Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said in an interview that aired Sunday on CNN’s State of the Union, “that really is the essential part, that you don’t turn over the whole new marketplace (after health care legislation is enacted) to private insurance companies and trust them to do the right thing. We need some choices, we need some competition.”

At a town hall in Grand Junction, Colorado Saturday, Mr. Obama seemed to downplay the necessity of having a public insurance option in the final version of any health care reform legislation presented to him by Congress.

“The public option – whether we have it or we don’t have it – is not the entirety of health care reform,” the President said. “This is just one sliver of it, one aspect of it. And, by the way, it’s both the right and the left that have become so fixated on this that they forget everything else . . .”

Echoing Mr. Obama’s Saturday comments, Sebelius also told CNN Chief National Correspondent John King that “what’s important is choice and competition.” A public option “is not an essential element,” the Cabinet secretary said Sunday.

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masuki bance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 09:20 AM
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1. Co-op. nt
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 09:22 AM
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2. Sell out!
A co-op doesn't compete with private insurance, it is private insurance.

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masuki bance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 09:32 AM
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5. Keep running around with your fingers in your ear
Edited on Sun Aug-16-09 09:33 AM by masuki bance
screaming la-la-la-la.

“The public option – whether we have it or we don’t have it – is not the entirety of health care reform,” the President said. “This is just one sliver of it, one aspect of it. And, by the way, it’s both the right and the left that have become so fixated on this that they forget everything else . . .”

Echoing Mr. Obama’s Saturday comments, Sebelius also told CNN Chief National Correspondent John King that “what’s important is choice and competition.” A public option “is not an essential element,” the Cabinet secretary said Sunday.

North Dakota Democrat Sen. Kent Conrad has championed the inclusion of health insurance co-ops in health care reform legislation as an alternative to a public option. Conrad, who is part of a bipartisan group of six senators on the Senate Finance Committee hashing out the details of the committee’s health care reform bill, has repeatedly said that he does not believe Democrats have enough votes in the Senate to pass a bill that includes a public option.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/08/16/sebelius-there-will-be-competition-with-private-insurers/


This is what has been signaled for quite a while now, people like you who keep claiming that it's all out of context and it's all lies are the ones who aren't putting pressure on these people to keep the public option. You keep saying that what they are saying doesn't mean what they are saying. It's getting to be quite pathetic.


Ezra Klein Joins The Chorus Preparing Us For No Public Option
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8558442

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8517388&mesg_id=8517388
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 09:46 AM
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6. Keep buying into media spin
Obama continues to support a public insurance option but appears to have softened his position in recent weeks.

Sorry, not going to join the "Oh, the public option is dead" crowd. It's BS and people who support it shouldn't buy into it either.

The public option has more supporters than non-supporters in the Democratic caucus. Screw the rest who want to derail it.

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masuki bance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 09:55 AM
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8. You've been an apologist for those that have signaled this change
for a long time. You continue to claim that the trial balloons aren't trial balloons, that what they are saying is just out of context. People like you who defend this have enabled it, instead of pushing back, you have been allowing this to happen.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 09:59 AM
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11. What utter drivel. n/t
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 10:58 AM
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18. you're exactly right. nt

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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 11:20 AM
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24. Great post. The DENIERS are enabling this!! Get your heads out of the sand! This ain't SHIT for
reform.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 09:58 AM
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10. Don't be fooled. The people you're debating don't want a public option either.
They don't. They want there to be *no* public option (in spite of their words here on DU) because the idea of Obama not winning on something gets their nipples hard. That's their real goal. They want to feel like the justified, cynical radical.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 10:07 AM
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14. Unlike yourself - I think the insurance needs reigned in and regulated - I guess you don't
You are willing to throw out the good and leave us all in the current state of affairs indefintiely. I don't want people abused by the health insurance companies even if we don't get a public option.
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 11:02 AM
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20. Bingo, and...
everytime and on every issue that Obama doesnt enact the most progressive thing possible IMMEDIATELY, it is 100% proof that he is horrible and a betrayor of all things good and decent. And this is exactly what this group wants.
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quiller4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 10:54 AM
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16. None of the existing co-ops are private insurance. Group Health is member
owned and governed.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 09:26 AM
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3. Ummm, there's competition NOW that is NOT effective at lowering the rates and making
...insurance companies pay up when they should.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 09:29 AM
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4. Except
"you don’t turn over the whole new marketplace (after health care legislation is enacted) to private insurance companies and trust them to do the right thing."

Sebelius' subsequent comment was ambiguous, but there is no ambiguity in the above statement.

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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 09:52 AM
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7. But with toothless and ineffective co-ops, we will be doing exactly that.
Bottom line: Can we get a strong national co-op that will 'keep insurance companies honest' and make insurance costs more competitive.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 09:58 AM
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9. The whole
non profit aspect is why people keep confusing co-opts with a public option. Cooperatives are private.

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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 10:00 AM
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12. A firewalled public option won't be much better
If they are going to create a "strong" public option that disqualifies all but 10 million people, it wont do shit.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 10:07 AM
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13. It does not
Edited on Sun Aug-16-09 10:07 AM by ProSense
disqualify anyone, it will be phased in. That is not the same as disqualification.
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quiller4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 10:54 AM
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17. Why do you assume they would be toothless. Farm co-ops sure aren't.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 11:07 AM
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23. Farm co opts dont pay up front cost for something that they might not ever recovery like insurance
Edited on Sun Aug-16-09 11:11 AM by uponit7771
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 04:41 PM
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25. There are only a couple of health ins co-ops operating in the US. They must be national in scope--
have at least 10 million members and be able to negotiate to 'keep insurance companies honest' and 'bend the cost curve.'

They would take time to set up and would have no ready made provide network like Medicare.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 10:33 AM
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15. This is what you wanted, right? For profit mandates.
You have been shouting down anyone who promotes single payer, public option, or even has a bit of difficulty with the bigotry in these 'reforms'. Constantly, and for days now.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 11:00 AM
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19. " You have been shouting down anyone who promotes single payer, public option..."
What the hell are you talking about?

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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 11:02 AM
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21. +1.

it's sad and even infuriating to watch. :(
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 11:05 AM
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22. Part of the problem continues to be
people who agree with things without knowing the facts.
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