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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 10:19 AM
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So how are we suppose to compete on an international stage when every other
country has government sponsored or run health care systems while our country still relies on an employer based system?

How long before the "we can't compete because we are saddled with providing health care for our workers" starts to make it way into the public realm? Since the public option is all but dead, where will that leave us as a nation?

How inefficient is it to have people stuck in a situation where they are under utilized but can't move on because of health care coverage concerns?

How many folks are trapped in loveless marriages simply because one spouse or the other has access to the insurance they need?

How many start up companies can't afford to attract the talent they need because it is simply to expensive to provide health care insurance?

No one talks about the efficacy of any of these important issues on the public stage. Instead, we hear hoary tales of death panels, forced abortions and euthanasia.

People, we deserve what we get by expecting far too much from the petty cash chasing venial politicians who end up dominating out political process.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 10:24 AM
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1. It's in the interest of most US businesses to have public health care,
...but most business executives don't want that because their personal income taxes would go up to pay for it.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 10:24 AM
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2. America has been outsourced anyway. nt
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 10:28 AM
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3. Those petty cash chasing venial politicians don't give a shit about us anyway...
We're just the means to their end of getting re-elected anyway...

A giant cash cow, if you will...

Well said.

K&R

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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 10:31 AM
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4. With our guns11!!!!11
FREEEDUMMMMMM!!!!

besides God loves us most of all and other countries is gonna hafta respeck that. We don't NEED no health insurance to be number 1.
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 11:41 AM
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5. what i have been saying for years.
WALL STREET should be demanding this. that pro growth returd acronym should be to. our system is ANTI-COMPETITIVE. how do we compete w/ france? forget how do FOR PROFITS compete with the govt.
and the sheeple are played again by the health insurance industrial complex.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 12:00 PM
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8. The thing is we are sacrificing international competitiveness for the sake
of the medical industrial complex.

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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 11:43 AM
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6. We are trying to swim with floaties of lead.
No wonder we can't seem to get ahead internationally.
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Better Today Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 11:57 AM
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7. How long? It already is. 30 years ago every interview with any
company have even as few as 5 employees, offered health insurance. Now that I'm trying to find employment again at 50, only those with 100's of employees are offering it. Most of the Mom&Pop shops don't offer it any more, or if they do it is only for administrators and not for the counter or floor persons.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:18 PM
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9. We used to.
However, the trick is to consider the overall costs borne by companies overseas to produce a unit (whatever their product is), and compare that with costs borne in the US, not just taxes, or health care, or wages, or something else, each in isolation. That way lies demogoguery.

As long as salaries, insurance, taxes, and other costs are cheaper or the same here per unit--possibly because of higher productivity, possibly just because the costs are actually the same or lower)--we'll be competitive.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:45 PM
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10. Just look at GDP and see how much is dedicated to Health Care...
And then look at the amount of money we spend on Defense.

that means we are not being as productive when compared on a national level.

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