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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 12:06 PM
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If the public option is dead, who killed it?
Did the insurance companies, the Rethugs or any other party at fault for doing this evil thing?
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 12:07 PM
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1. Blue dogs, and by extension Rahm Emanuel. n/t
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 12:17 PM
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7. And by extension - President Obama. He had the will of the people and squandered it and caved.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 01:03 PM
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17. He was promoting the public option yesterday in Town Halls. How does that signal "caving"?
If you ask me I think Sibelius was talking out of her ass. I don't put much stock in it.
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quiller4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 04:01 PM
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33. You do realize that support for public option nose-dived in the polls, don't you?
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 04:54 PM
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35. And, why did it nose-dive - because Obama never led the discussion to the people

He allowed the right wing crazies to define the issue, and he completely lost control of the whole thing.

IF he had been clearly defining and advocating what a real public option was from DAY 1, this never would have happened.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 12:10 PM
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2. The radio star˜





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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 12:10 PM
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3. And nobody FOUGHT for it. nt
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 12:14 PM
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5. The bill isn't even out of comittee yet, and you're already speaking in the past tense.
:eyes:
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 12:30 PM
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10. You're right --
I ping-pong back and forth between throwing my hands up in the air and actually harboring high hopes. The OP caught me on the down-swing. :7
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 12:26 PM
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9. Except for the part a few months ago with the voting and all of those
millions of dollars donated to the 'no mandated purchase' candidate, the one who always said he supported a strong public option. Other than all that work, and money, and throngs of people at rallys, yeah, no one fought for anything.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 12:35 PM
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12. Agree -- and I was one of 'em. I was actually referring to
the Dems in office. I just yearn for someone (preferable O) to stand up and say -- this is what the people want and this is what we're going to do, so shut up. I'm thinking that may be the way it goes anyway -- that he's/they're really trying to attain bi-partisanship, but when it comes down to the wire time-wise, just going ahead and steam-rollering over the opposition.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 12:12 PM
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4. It's not dead, not even close
More defeatism. More giving up. Disgusting.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 12:43 PM
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15. "Not even close"? "White House appears ready to drop 'public option'"----->
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_health_care_overhaul
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 01:05 PM
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18. I put no faith in AP stories, they sometimes exaggerate. Besides I think
the secretary was talking out of her ass. JMHO.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 01:15 PM
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22. YES!!! to both you and TRIDIM- for not just eating the slop fed
Edited on Sun Aug-16-09 01:15 PM by Bluerthanblue
by the media talking head machines.

People are letting the media have power it doesn't deserve. They twist and skew questions and statements to fit their purpose and then make a headline that implies it's a "done deal".

WE cannot be that stupid, lazy, or complacent. Come on people!

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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 05:55 PM
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40. The New York Times, LA Times, etc. are saying the same thing
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct2=us%2F0_0_s_0_4_as&usg=AFQjCNFU19EG_qXFNFJv7cxtpS_HzGkT-Q&cid=1297073063&ei=J46ISqCeKof28QTwvq9R&rt=HOMEPAGE&vm=STANDARD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2009%2F08%2F17%2Fhealth%2Fpolicy%2F17talkshows.html%3Fhp

http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct2=us%2F0_0_s_0_0_t&usg=AFQjCNF35QbjgngFm_a4rxcqXPwyQZhRIQ&cid=1297073063&ei=J46ISqCeKof28QTwvq9R&rt=HOMEPAGE&vm=STANDARD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.latimes.com%2Fnews%2Fnationworld%2Fnation%2Fla-na-healthcare17-2009aug17%2C0%2C2687148.story
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 12:14 PM
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6. You will get co-ops, and they will try to convince you that they are a public option
Edited on Sun Aug-16-09 12:15 PM by IndianaGreen
the old bait and switch.
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WatchWhatISay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 12:33 PM
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11. Except that public options were already a bait and switch for single payer
How nice that we will be thrown a bone of a compromise of a compromise. So nice that we all worked so hard to give them that majority that they said they needed in order to do the right things.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 12:39 PM
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14. A real public option would be giving people the right to opt for Medicare
Edited on Sun Aug-16-09 01:28 PM by IndianaGreen
as Leo Gerard, President of USW, said.
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 01:22 PM
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23. yep! and I just wrote to my representatives and
the President and Vice President (again) saying this exact same. A co-op is not a valid public option, imo. It's a gift to the insurance companies and they don't deserve this. Why reward bad behavior and cut out the competition of a true goverment sponsored program? We're based on a competitive market philosphy, right? So why should the govt. be cut out of that competitive market?

I also asked them to give us a bone since the right has had their fair share of this already.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 12:18 PM
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8. Less than 24 hours after Obama's trimphant Colorado town hall meeting
Edited on Sun Aug-16-09 12:19 PM by rocktivity
The health secretary "suggests" that public option isn't "essential," and the public option is dead!

:rofl:
rocktivity
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 01:05 PM
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20. I know! Just wackyness! n/t
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 01:38 PM
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26. that's a bad sign, either way
Either Obama doesn't have message control over his cabinet appointees, or he's talking out of both sides of his mouth.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 12:39 PM
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13. was it ever actually alive?
I think it was a rubber dummy distraction to keep us from noticing that Obama gave away single payer without firing a single shot and then gave several trillion $$ to big pharma in a secret deal.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 01:05 PM
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19. i agree in essence, but.... can you source your claim re. several trillion $$??

thanks in advance.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 02:46 PM
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32. Obama secret negotiations with Pharma
see www.gregpalast.com and hhs.gov

10-year cost of drugs to Americans = $3.6 trillion

Obama "negotiated" $80 billion "cost cut" (what that really means is wholly unspecified), which is a 2% savings (if it is real at all)

European countries (through single-payer plans) have routinely negotiated 50% cost cuts from Pharma. Obama left 48% on the table. 48% of $3.6 trillion = $1.73 trillion. Since 1912, a Democratic President and a Democratic Congress have attempted major health care reform once every generation (30 years).

30 years @ $1.78 trillion per 10 years = $5.34 trillion.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 12:52 PM
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16. The Democrats on the Hill in fear and trembling of the Conservative
Town Hall Disruptors.

Obama will take what he can get rather than fail.

Thank our Democratic Party.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 01:08 PM
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21. You're right, I think. It makes me sick.
The Democratic Party looks poised to sell out the people wholesale.

:dem:

-Laelth
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 01:26 PM
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24. The White House. Any more questions?
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 02:12 PM
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29. Why?
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 01:36 PM
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25. the insurance industry
by making sure the relevant committees were stacked with people on their side. If you look at the Finance committee membership, there are hardly any liberal Dems on it.

This is a game that the lobbyists and industries involved understand, and they've been preparing for it for years....
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 01:39 PM
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27. There are no liberals in the intelligence and armed services committees
This should tell you that the ruling class wants to keep control, no matter which party is in office.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 02:00 PM
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28. yes
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 02:15 PM
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30. Obama
He;s the one signalling he'd throw it under the bus in the name of "bipartisanship" which is completely whacked out because no matter what not a single Republican will vote for health care reform and instead we will be worse off than when we started.
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GoCubsGo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 02:19 PM
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31. It's dead????
Funny, but last I heard, there are still a half dozen different bills out there, and none of them have passed. They're not even close to making any sort of decision, so how could it be "dead"? Because the AP says so? They're not the ones making the decisions.
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ipaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 04:49 PM
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34. Just one sliver of a whole not a necessary key non-negotiable aspect
"All I'm saying is, though, that the public option, whether we have it or we don't have it, is not the entirety of health care reform," Obama said at a town hall meeting in Grand Junction, Colo. "This is just one sliver of it, one aspect of it."

sliv·er (slvr)
n.
1. A slender piece cut, split, or broken off; a splinter: slivers of broken glass.
2. A small narrow piece, portion, or plot: a sliver of land.

Whether we have it or not?

Language is important. People aren't stupid.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 04:57 PM
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36. The media is trying really, really hard.
That's why the AP stories are out.

Sebelieus didn't say they were considering dropping it.....
but that is what the AP headline read.
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 05:03 PM
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37. Oh, it's been a real group effort
Big Insurance.
Big Pharm.
Both parties.
The President.
The media.
The filthy rich, in general.
Lack of critical thought and civic responsibility by the populace in general.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 05:51 PM
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38. Democrats in the Senate and House. Scared by the republicans' goons
in the town halls.
Fightened by the republicans in the Senate and House.
Zero leadership in House and Senate.
They were also bought out by insurance companies.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 05:53 PM
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39. Enemy #1: The insurance companies. Enemy #2: The undemocratic Senate
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