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masuki bance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 04:53 PM
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There is all the difference in the world between "wanting" the public option and "insisting" on it.
Edited on Sun Aug-16-09 05:00 PM by masuki bance
Is Obama Just Another Politician?

Cenk Uygur
Host of The Young Turks


...Why? Why is the public option so important? On the actual substance of the healthcare issue, the public option is critical in changing the insurance system we have now. If we don't use this to keep prices down through real competition, then the system will essentially be the same. Except with near universal coverage, taxes will of course go up (and private insurance companies will make even more money because we will subsidize more people to get insurance through them). And when the American people find out that taxes went up and their premiums did not go down, they'll be pissed.

And who do you think they'll be pissed at? The insurance industry and the Republican Party who killed the public option? Of course, not. They'll be mad at the people who did "healthcare reform." Then the industry and their wholly owned subsidiary, the Republican Party, will tell them that the reform pushed through by the Democrats led to higher taxes and higher premiums -- and real change will be made even harder, and maybe even impossible.

But that's still not the main reason why the public option is so important. It's because it is a standard bearer. It is a road sign. It tells you what Obama is all about. Is he willing to compromise something he knows is essential to get a deal done so that he can brag in the next election that he got "healthcare reform" passed? Or does he actually give a damn about policy and getting it right? That is the central question.

I don't know which way it's going to go, but right now the signs are not good. The New York Times story is very troubling because Obama is not going to spend all this time negotiating with the Senate Finance Committee and the industry players and then throw out the deal they worked on. And the industry and the Republican Party have been very clear -- if there is a public option, they're out. Obama is not go negotiate with them all this time if he did not already agree to that premise. That is very, very troubling.

And that brings us to Valerie Jarrett this morning. I was fine with all of her answers on other domestic and foreign policy issues and even on the issues I wholeheartedly disagreed with her on (and the issues she got heckled on). You're not going to get everything you want and you're certainly not going to get all of it instantly (meaning the first year of his term). But there is a bottom line. And as I have explained above, that bottom line is the public option.

So, here was her answer on that:

"Let me be very clear and I talked to the president yesterday about this, knowing I was coming here. The president wants the public option, he has made that clear everywhere he has gone."

That sounds clear, right? Wrong. No, she just said the president "wants" it. Big whoop dee doo. That doesn't mean a thing. It is political-speak for saying later, " We really wanted it, we fought hard for it but we just couldn't get it. But it is important to know that we got a great bill that is bipartisan, that everyone can live with and that will bring real change to America." And then you'll know that Obama was full of it.

There is all the difference in the world between "wanting" the public option and "insisting" on the public option. For example, the Republicans don't stutter. They say unequivocally that they will insist that there is no public option. Why must we always cave in to their demands? Especially when they are a statistically irrelevant minority (that doesn't mean we shouldn't listen to them, but it does mean we should stop following their orders and dictates on the most important issues). Why can't we insist on something for a change? Why can't we insist on the most important part of the plan?


Well, if we don't, it is obviously because we did not have the political will to do so. And that is 100% on Obama. If he caves on this, then he is your typical gasbag politician who promises one thing and does another. On the flip side, if he gets real healthcare reform passed with a public option, then I will be impressed and energized. I will dare to believe again.

I still think it's an open question. And it's one only Obama can answer. What's it going to be Mr. President? Do you really believe in change? Do you really believe in what you said during the campaign? That campaign that got us all excited thinking that maybe, just maybe, if we supported the right guy he really could change the system.

Or are you going be just another politician?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/is-obama-just-another-pol_b_260363.html






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jannyk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 04:56 PM
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1. +1
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 04:58 PM
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2. +1 until the Ton-Ton Macoutes unrec this
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 05:04 PM
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3. I looked that up
I guess that would make Obama Papa Doc? Very "colorful" comparison...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonton_Macoute
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 05:06 PM
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4. it was a personality cult
one of many we have seen in many countries, including our own.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 05:13 PM
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5. Obama Demands: The Bill I Sign Must Include Public Option
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Political Tiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 05:26 PM
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6. It's PRESIDENT Obama, not KING Obama.
By now, you'd think people would understand that.

Contrary to what some here seem to believe, he does not just snap his fingers and people bow down to him and do what he "insists"....or even "wants."

The hypocrisy here amazes me. For eight years we bitched and moaned because Bush acted like a King.

Now we bitch and moan because Obama does NOT act like a King!
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 05:30 PM
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7. some of us believe that partisanship is a more effective way to govern
Edited on Sun Aug-16-09 05:32 PM by ruggerson
so, yes, it makes sense to insist on principle and only compromise when the process is near completion, not at its inception. Obama seems to have started out insisting on the principle of the public option - let's hope he doesn't cave unless it's clear that there is absolutely no other choice.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 05:53 PM
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8. I would settle for Obama just acting like a "Democrat",
and stop "negotiating" with Republicans and Big Pharm.
Obama has a huge mandate for "Change".
Use it!

SEE: FDR and LBJ
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 07:00 PM
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12. +1. n/t
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 06:05 PM
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9. And sacrificing to pay for it!
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Stevepol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 06:27 PM
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10. Obma is a hundred times better than Bush, but w/o a public option health care reform is a joke.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 06:28 PM
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11. Indeed there is. Insisting on something that will never pass means nothing will ever pass.
Edited on Sun Aug-16-09 06:28 PM by BzaDem
I am very happy that the President is not insisting on something that will kill any healthcare reform bill.
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