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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 06:50 PM
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Some "liberals" and moderates will justify a surrender to Republicans on health care because .....
"it's better than nothing!"

Don't be so sure about that.

If a bill written by the insurance industry and drug cartel via their bought and paid for representatives in the Senate passes, you will not see a meaningful and universal health care bill passed for another generation.
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 06:52 PM
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1. The Medicare Part D legislation sure wasn't better than nothing.
And being the last piece of legislation that was essentially written by lobbyists I think it's a pretty scary comp.
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KakistocracyHater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 06:57 PM
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4. past as prelude, or as I say preview
I call that the Midicare Drug Disaster bill, with the red flag that was outlawing wholesale prices for medicines.

Wholesale pricing is the backbone of business & government, doing anything on a large scale ANYWHERE ELSE & not having wholesale available? That's madness!
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 06:52 PM
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2. of course those who do not go bankrupt with medical bills this generation may be glad
Edited on Sun Aug-16-09 06:54 PM by stray cat
I think the GOP health care will pass in 2012 - I'm sure it will be much better - get rid of employee contributions but you get a tax break!
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 07:03 PM
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6. You miss the point.

This is the only bi-partisan health care plan that can pass Congress. So for a private health insurance bill, this is the best they can do. Now some right-winguts will never be satisfied but the insurance industry and drug cartel should be very satisfied with the bill that finally emerges.

What's not to like? 40 million new customers for private health insurance and drugs!
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 06:56 PM
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3. Hang on. The "best" is yet to come. Social Security "entitlement reform."

And Medicare/Medicaid "cost cutting" reform should be on the burner right behind social security cuts.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 06:59 PM
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5. "White House reiterates its support of the Public Option"
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 07:11 PM
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7. That headline is misleading. Obama continues to indicate he's willing to abandon the PO. n/t
:dem:

-Laelth
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 11:26 AM
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12. Presumably only if somebody comes up with a better plan
that does what he has been saying that he wants a presumptive plan to do. Leaving aside the whole Single Payer proposal, which most people here seem to believe IS the *better* plan, for a second, what is wrong with Obama saying that he might consider other proposals if something else works better? I'm personally for Public Option but I'll be satisfied with a plan that addresses his key principles for reform and REALLY helps people and I think that is all he is saying. Of course, I haven't heard any *viable* alternatives presented by members of Congress to his PO plan and he seems to be sticking to it so far (despite what the corporate media whores would have you believe), so, unless things radically change for whatever reason, I have no doubt that he will continue to work to see it through and he has even hinted that he plans to do an end run around the Repukes if they keep obstructing reform efforts like they have. I think he was brilliant last week too by focusing attention (and pressure) on Baucus and Grassley to stop meandering and actually DO something when Congress gets back from their summer "recess".
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 07:21 PM
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9. So where can this alleged White House statement in support of the public option be found?

Couldn't find it at the White House website!

The article claims:

"In the meantime, the White House released this statement late this afternoon:

Nothing has changed. POTUS has always said that what is essential is that health insurance reform must lower costs, ensure that there are affordable options for all Americans and increase choice and competition. He believes the public option is the best way to achieve those goals."

I went to the White House website. I carefully searched items in the White House Briefing Room including press briefings, statements and releases, speeches and remarks and could not find this alleged White House statement on a public option.

Just post a direct link to the White House statement.

The Crooks and Liars article failed to provide a link.

Thanks.


http://www.whitehouse.gov/
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Atticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 07:16 PM
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8. Anything less than a strong public option will be the "stopper in the bottle"
of meaningful health reform for at least my lifetime. I'm 60.

Let's remember that, for many of us, the public option IS our compromise. We'd much prefer single payer. To cave in to the likes of Sarah and Rush and the rest of the chancred whores paid for with money "earned" by denying benefits is not compromise: it is capitulation.

With 60 Senators and, what, a 50-some vote majority in the House PLUS the White House PLUS popular support of the majority, WE ARE HOLDING "WINNERS", FOLKS! NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO FOLD!!!
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 07:56 PM
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10. ...Obama is always correct, and his chess-playing is simply beyond our comprehension.
Oh, and that questioning it is treasonous and destined to bring us to ruin.
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bhcodem Donating Member (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 10:40 AM
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11. No backtracking on the bill
If the Democrates give in to the Repubs, the Repubs will still not vote for the bill. So what's the point of caving?
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 11:31 AM
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13. The public option in the House and Senate bills is a very weak one that is all but useless.
The public option contained in the House bill has already been compromised to the point of being almost useless but the conservative Democrats and Republicans won't even settle for that!
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