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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:10 PM
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FACT NOT IN DISPUTE: Obama ALREADY said any bill signed MUST MUST have public option included!!!
Edited on Sun Aug-16-09 08:23 PM by uponit7771
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/07/obama-demands-the-bill-i-sign-must-include-public-option.php

Some many of us are distracted by bright and shiny and loud and ignorant things no?

TIA
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:11 PM
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1. Well, he also said lobbyists would not work in his administration...
...and a bunch of other stuff. It's no surprise that people are worried, but with Congress out of session NOTHING is happening ~ yet.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:15 PM
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7. Link?
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:24 PM
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16. “They won’t work in my White House!”
Obama has said repeatedly this week on his Iowa bus tour.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1207/7411.html

Then he quickly tweaked that ~ and went ahead and broke the tweaked rule too.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:26 PM
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20. OH good you can just fucking whine
about that all the time.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:27 PM
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23. Nobody is whining - that's what people around here say when they can't handle facts. nt
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:30 PM
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26. We can handle the facts it's the fucking whine
Edited on Sun Aug-16-09 08:32 PM by Cha
that gets a little old.

Edit~ And twisting of the facts by the corporatemediawhores and those Sucking it down.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:34 PM
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28. You ask for a link and then get insulting when I provide one...
Accusing people of whining when they point out facts you don't like is LAME and IGNORANT.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:38 PM
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30. It's their favorite tactic.
They jump on you for one thing. Prove them wrong and they jump on something else without ever acknowledging they were wrong.

Many of us who helped campaign for Obama for the election found that his biggest problem was his followers and their nastiness.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:43 PM
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32. Yeah, I remember your
nastiness.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 09:06 PM
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41. Nice to be remembered.
I don't remember seeing you at the polls or walking the neighborhood or canvassing.

Try thinking.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:47 PM
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37. You're right - and it's pathetic. nt
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:42 PM
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31. Yeah, where are the links for the "and a bunch of other stuff"(lame and ignorant)
..you just threw in there to make it seem like he's worse than we could ever imagine?

"and a bunch of other stuff"
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:46 PM
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35. Don't project - I certainly don't think "he's worse than we could every imagine"...
I support the president by holding his feet to the fire.

Don't you EVER get tired of cheering mindlessly???
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:48 PM
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38. Don't you ever get tired of
mindlessly finding fault?
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:51 PM
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39. You're very confused. Being willing to face the facts is not about...
..."finding fault" ~ it's about not being afraid to think. Doesn't mean I don't like the prez, or support the prez. Just that I'm not willing to close my eyes and turn off my brain. I really don't know how posters like you do it day in and day out.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 09:07 PM
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42. Good luck here.
Arguing with a wall is tiring. Make sure you have patience and time.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 09:30 PM
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47. I see what you mean - for now I'm out of patience and time. :)
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 09:46 PM
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49. Good move.
THey just like the tit-for-tat to see their words in print and bump their inane squawks to the top. Sad, but I've met these in real life too.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 09:32 PM
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48. And all you have are insults..
I really didn't expect anything else from you.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 09:15 PM
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44. How do you feel about Obama going back on his lobbyist promise? nt
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:16 PM
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9. obamapromisewatch.net disagrees with you "bunch of other stuff" claim and I'm willing
Edited on Sun Aug-16-09 08:22 PM by uponit7771
...to cut him some slack on the lobbyist seeing that he gave it his best try

http://obamapromisewatch.net/html/promises.html

I'm also willing to wait, so many have been proven so wrong about Obama so many times
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:26 PM
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21. My point is that there's reason people are worried about Obama...
...not keeping his word about only signing a bill with a public option ~ there's precedent.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:28 PM
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25. There's no GOOD SOUND reason IMHO, there's reason but it's based on AP headlines etc
...and people at DU still trusting the media that got us into the Iraq war
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:33 PM
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27. Well, I don't blame people for being worried at all. Though, as I said...
...a couple of times tonight, NOTHING is happening right now since Congress isn't in session.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:44 PM
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34. Not really but you want to insist on
it for whatever reason.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 09:51 AM
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55. How many in D.C. politics have NOT been lobbyist?
Edited on Mon Aug-17-09 10:14 AM by Fire1
That's like trying to find a needle in a hay stack, isn't it? I know there is talent outside of the lobby pool but maybe the Administration feels comfortable with a compromise of waivers and recusals, albeit that's not what he promised.
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HopeOverFear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:12 PM
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2. THERE WILL BE NO PUBLIC OPTION!!!! NATE SAID SO!!!!!!
RUN FOR DA HILLS!!!!!!! OH NOES!!!!!!!! IT'S OVERRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!


*plays with bright shiny object* ooooh....shine-eeeeeey


:rofl:
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 09:07 PM
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43. SECEDE!!!11!!
succeede' frm teh union befores the muslins come an puts us in fima camps!!11
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:12 PM
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3. We are at war with Eurasia. We have always been at war with Eurasia. n.t
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GrantDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:12 PM
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4. Apparently a lot has changed in a month. n/t
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:18 PM
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12. I do think he has to clear up statements but I'll take him for his word, so many have been so wrong
...about Obama so many times it's pathetic
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:24 PM
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17. According to the corporatemediawhores and those
who get Suuuuuuuuuuucked in.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:14 PM
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5. Do you think he will veto it if it doesn't?
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:18 PM
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11. Don't know, what I do know is it's not out of comittee yet and Baucus can be dethrowned
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tledford Donating Member (633 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:19 PM
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13. Where they gonna de-throw him? Wanna make sure I'm not in the spot where he lands. eom
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:26 PM
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22. So, if he said he won't sign it but it's uncertain he won't veto it, it's a rather hollow statement.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:14 PM
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6. Well, if it's bright and made shiny by spitting on it, I'm in!
:evilgrin:
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:16 PM
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8. If that's your thin reed...prepare to whip out the flip-flops in 2012.
Because there will be no public option in the bill he signs.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:17 PM
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10. Willing to put good money on it?
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:23 PM
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15. Sure.
How about a $10 donation to DU? That's "good money" in my book.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:25 PM
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18. Bet, (7771 reaches for hand shake) :-)
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:27 PM
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24. Cool.
Let's hope one of us remembers this little wager when the deal goes down. :)

By the way, I also hope you are correct but my head says you are not.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:44 PM
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33. Bet will never be settled.
There will be language that calls something in the bill a "Public Option" but it won't be what we have all considered a true public option.

Whatever co-op or panel or limited edition only-good-on-Easter program that the bill calls public option will be the cover for signing and for welching on the bet.

Don't just bet on public option -define the terms that each of you agrees is a strong public option.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:47 PM
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36. I'll bookmark it..
Edited on Sun Aug-16-09 08:47 PM by Cha
:)
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:23 PM
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14. Just to be clear: Obama is saying he DEMANDS a Public Option, right?
I was just confused by the title and some replies yet the weekly address seems very promising, public option or bust.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:26 PM
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19. The link said it must include some outlined things along with a public option
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:38 PM
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29. For those who Hoped for Change, that's Change! n/t
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masuki bance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:58 PM
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40. He also said that he would negotiate health care reform in public sessions aired on CSPAN
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/promise/517/health-care-reform-public-sessions-C-SPAN/
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 09:15 PM
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45. it is very true that a politician can get elected & go back on what they say they will do, the OP
knows this...

I hope Obama, ultimately by the beginning of 2012, surprises us all with getting things passed, but does so in such a cool sneaky way, that it impresses us - but as for now, I'm very much the doubting unhappy Democrat that believes he's just another slick politician, who may be nice, but isn't going to get his congress that is Dem. controlled, to do very much with their majority - I'd be yelling at them and saying they got in, in a landslide because of my dkaldsfkj ass, and they will be out if they don't do the major thing I promised. He also is losing people with other things he promised or attacked (like signing statements) but has changed his mind.
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 09:17 PM
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46. Would they over ride his veto of a bill lacking thePO? nt
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 09:33 AM
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50. Bump, just incase some missed it!!!
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Becky72 Donating Member (457 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 09:34 AM
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51. He also said there would be no mandate
Then he flip flopped.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 09:35 AM
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52. Link and quote to the "Flip Flop" Hint: You can't give it, you're NOT being accurate!!
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Becky72 Donating Member (457 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 11:23 AM
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57. Obama flip flopped on the mandate (link)
Edited on Mon Aug-17-09 11:24 AM by Becky72
From the pulitzer prize-winning, independent nonpartisan prestigious Politifact.com:

"Obama flip-flops on requiring people to buy health care"


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/jul/20/barack-obama/obama-flip-flops-requiring-people-buy-health-care/

Obama's words: ""During the campaign I was opposed to this idea because my general attitude was the reason people don't have health insurance is not because they don't want it, it's because they can't afford it. And if you make it affordable, then they'll come. I am now in favor of some sort of individual mandate as long as there's a hardship exemption."
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 09:43 AM
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53. ANOTHER FACT NOT IN DISPUTE: President Obama's stands on issues sometimes change over time
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 09:46 AM
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54. Like EVERYONE elses! He has NOT NOT NOT done a COMPLETE 180 degrees on any NOTABLE campaign promises
Edited on Mon Aug-17-09 09:47 AM by uponit7771
..and you can NOT point out any from ANY credible source (meaning Obama himself NOT our EXTREMELY sloppy M$M)
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 10:07 AM
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56. Another Bump for freeper "like" assholes!!
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lewiston Donating Member (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 11:39 AM
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58. Obama lied and Public Option died.
N/A
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kjackson227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 11:47 AM
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59. Don't wave the white flag, YET! Not until Obama says so!
We've just started this fight, so go ahead and let the talking heads TALK! This isn't over, but we can't just sit and whine and complain here on DU. Contact the White House and let them hear your voices!

White House Phone Number: 202-456-1414 or (direct line) 202-456-1111
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