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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 10:05 PM
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What President Obama doesn't want....
Edited on Sun Aug-16-09 10:07 PM by FrenchieCat
He doesn't want the Public Option to be in the RW's bulleye for 3 weeks....
as that is a sure way to kill it,
considering the media that we have and the fact that they push RW talking points 23/7!



What I see is a President that wants to highlight all of the other elements of the health care bill,
and give the Public Option an equal role, and not the starring role.
That is what he and others in his administration have been saying the last few days;
that the Public Option is not the center of gravity in this health care bill.
Now, it doesn't meant that the Public Option is not important to have,
but rather, we can't act like it is so much......or the opposition will focus on it relentlessly
in their attempts to kill it.

It's quite elementary, but it appears that many on our side don't have a clue.
We need to support the Public Option, write about it positively, call our congressfolks,
appear in town halls, call the media, etc....
but we don't need to shout in every direction that this is the only part that matters,
cause that ain't real smart.
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countingbluecars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 10:09 PM
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1. That is exactly what
I took from his answer about a public option at his last town hall meeting.
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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 10:10 PM
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2. I agree with your post but have to ask--
Edited on Sun Aug-16-09 10:14 PM by panader0
What's "This image link contains an illegal code."?
That's what came up instead of the picture at first. The picture is up now. Weird.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 10:12 PM
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3. Fixed it!
IT's a giant Bullseye....which is what we, Democrats, are turning the Public Option into.

We don't seem to do "hints" well.
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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 10:16 PM
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4. Have no proof, but my instinct, too. Public option=gov't takeover lies, and no other reasons to
support reform, if not emphasized more.

Interesting how Rachel made the point on MTP how Armey wants to kill Medicare and all the town hall crowds from Freedom Works who love it, don't know about Armey's motives. That snippet has to go viral.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 10:17 PM
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5. DING DING DING We have a WINNAH!!!
He just stole the talking point away from the idiots.

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 10:20 PM
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7. Hya!
I've been predicting this stuff for a long time now....
and yet, few believe me until it is too late!
Wish it wasn't so. :(
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 10:20 PM
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6. Yeah, surprise surprise..we have
a president who is smarter and better at strategy than the average impatient armchair strategist.

But, you're not doing too bad, Frenchie!
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 10:21 PM
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8. One has to understand how the Republicans and there corporate media minions think!
Edited on Sun Aug-16-09 10:23 PM by FrenchieCat
Simply. They are "one issue at a time" sorta folks.
They know we want that bad, and so, that is next!
Obama devaluing it is actually the way to go....
cause shouting from the rooftops ain't gonna get it,
not when you're not the ones with the microphones....
and we aren't the ones with the microphones, although we should be.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 10:36 PM
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9. Yeah, and I
do after 8 years of getting shot down by them.

Surprised that more on DU don't, though. Thanks for this huge reminder.

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HopeOverFear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 10:39 PM
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10. Never thought of it that way...thanks Frenchie
I'm glad you're here to provide some much needed sanity.
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Undercurrent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 11:00 PM
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11. I've thought the same thing.
I've seen the msm roll out story after story about the public option being on life support. It makes me wonder if the White House is shifting focus as a tactical maneuver to take the public option out the direct line of fire.



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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 12:16 AM
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12. KnR Frenchie. I seem to have canceled out someone's unrec... oy...
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 01:29 AM
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13. Absolutely!
K&R

:patriot:
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SweetieD Donating Member (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 01:32 AM
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14. I actually agree with you on this.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 01:40 AM
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They're afraid people think 'public option' means single payer
These politicians campaign on misleading words like 'universal healthcare' and then shit themselves when people start suspecting they got punked.

The reality of in$urance reform is getting lost in the public option debate.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 01:40 AM
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15. The rest of the bill is glorified corporate welfare and a
middle class tax hike. Throw on the guarantee of the current cartel maintaining its monopoly, and it's unacceptable.


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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 01:40 AM
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16. +1
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 05:46 PM
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34. +1000
:patriot:
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 06:24 PM
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38. +1
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andym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 02:10 AM
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17. Good point. K&R nt
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jeanpalmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 04:08 AM
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18. His strategy could just as easily be
to leave the public option out there, even though he doesn't suport it any more, so as not to create a revolt on the left, and leave it dangling there as a teaser to keep the left in line; and then not include public option in the final bill. By that time, it will be too late for the left to resist.

But with each passing day, based on WH statements, it appears he is abandoning public option. This weekend we had both Gibbs and Sebellius saying as much.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 04:25 AM
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19. Yeah,,,that's the ticket!
Enrage your based.

Sounds good!

You are so brilliant....NOT!

But keep on trying, unhappy thang.
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 06:50 AM
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25. I agree with you - the only reason it is even mentioned by the administration any more is to keep
the left in-line.

We have been sold-out . . . . or I should say, out-bid . . . by the insurance company.

The public option has been abandoned by this administration. Even obama now says as much.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 07:01 AM
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27. You are selling us out right now......
Running from thread to thread crying about being betrayed.....
only you are premature, and therefore have become the betrayor.
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 07:10 AM
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28. oh brother - keep the blind faith
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 07:18 AM
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29. Why would Obama want the Media and the Repugs to take their aim
at tearing down the Public Option for the next three weeks?

How does that help us?

Please explain....cause I'm starting to think that you didn't notice
that we went to war because the media told us to.....
or that we ended up with George Bush as President for 8 fucking years.
How did that happen?

You must think that that Obama's microphone is bigger than that of
the Associated Press, and if you think so, tell me how that is.
Reporters can report whatever in the fuck they want these days....
and if you haven't noticed, it doesn't have to be the truth.

So now you think that Obama should scream about a "Government ran option" from the top of his lungs
everytime he gets a chance, and that will do what?

I'll tell you.
It won't do jack shit, if the media decides that this will be the case.

So instead, Obama is attempting to minimize the talk of the Public Option for the present,
so it doesn't get attacked with a full frontal.

But of course, you are helping make the Public option be the only issue of importance....
so yes, after you are done, they win.
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 07:32 AM
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30. I read that argument in your other thread - I just don't buy it
and you can attempt to place the blame on me ("after you are done, they win"), but I don't buy that either.

and I don't buy into this media-conspiracy. As you say (well, not exactly as you say - I prefer the non-profane version of the message), "reporters can report whatever they want these days". Of course they can - that includes any twist or turn in the facts . . . or in some cases, even the facts.

You want to paint the media as the demon - as if some organized vehicle of conspiracy. I don't buy it. Any message you want can be found somewhere in the media. I am not saying the media is the guy in the white hat - just not the demon that you portray.

The big insurance company money behind the scene is beating us. And where is it being spent? Everywhere - including on the D's. obama knows it - so now this phoney-baloney coop plan is the clear indication of a "victory".

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 07:46 AM
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31. Keep thinking the media doesn't have anything to do with much of anything....
At some point, even you will be woken up.

I woke up a long time ago, and I'm glad I did.

Here's what I see: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8568101

But go ahead and keep giving the wrong folks the benefit of the doubt....
if it helps you sort out your world.
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 04:45 AM
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20. playing some mater chess is he--sure -big fucking pharma/insurance giveaway and you know it
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 05:57 AM
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23. No....what you know is that you don't know......
you just echoing the RW media,
and after you do that,
they want you to do this
with the rest of the MSM believing lemmings....




Hell, they know y'all better than you know yourself.
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dolphindance Donating Member (283 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 04:52 AM
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21. It's a message war, and Obama is mananging the message.
The media, the 'pubs, and even some democrats are not on our side. Therefore, the President is very careful about what he says in public. And my feeling is that the real push comes later when Congress is further along and has more details.

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cleveramerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 05:46 AM
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22. time is the real enemy
every day that passes with democrats having nothing to rally around.... hurts our chances.
Every day a little more air escapes from the balloon.
Every day we get closer to a completely meaningless "HEALTH INSURANCE REFORM"

what we will end up with is getting further away from what we all hoped for every day.

call me names but it won't change what we all see coming.
Those who know what to look for anyway
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liberalla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 06:45 AM
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24. Dr. Dean was just on MSNBC and sounds like he agrees
with your theory. The public option is being played down, because they need Kent Conrad's vote to get it voted out of the Senate Committee. The House version has PO (public option) in it, and the Senate version won't... but that's OK because it can be put in later.

:thumbsup:

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 06:59 AM
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26. Rec'd, nt
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 08:16 AM
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32. Frenchie, I think you are right on here.
And many allow themselves to be manipulated by the media and the RW to turn against the President when he needs us the most.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 05:26 PM
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33. To late to rec, but great post and a little...
:kick:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 05:59 PM
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35. How timely this
still is and will be. Obama and Team have to get around the corporatewhoremedia as well as the extremewing's republicon masters.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 06:00 PM
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36. 100% spot on! What boggles my mind is
why so many Democrats think the President should telegraph his strategy to the world? I guess so the GOP can work out an effective counter stratgegy. That is so fucking stupid, it's hard to believe anyone actually thinks it. But they do -- they think he should go on TV and tell us and the GOP exactly what he wants and how he's going to go about it. If that's the way previous Democratics have attacked health care reform, no wonder we never got shit.

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burning rain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 06:23 PM
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37. Go, Frenchie!
I'm an atheist, but I'm all for religious believers having their say, too. :P
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