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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 10:47 AM
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Krugman on medical-industrial complex, right-wing propaganda machine and a true public option

The Swiss Menace

By PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: August 16, 2009

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Let’s talk about health care around the advanced world.

Every wealthy country other than the United States guarantees essential care to all its citizens. There are, however, wide variations in the specifics, with three main approaches taken.

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Finally, the third route to universal coverage relies on private insurance companies, using a combination of regulation and subsidies to ensure that everyone is covered. Switzerland offers the clearest example: everyone is required to buy insurance, insurers can’t discriminate based on medical history or pre-existing conditions, and lower-income citizens get government help in paying for their policies.

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So where does Obamacare fit into all this? Basically, it’s a plan to Swissify America, using regulation and subsidies to ensure universal coverage.

If we were starting from scratch we probably wouldn’t have chosen this route. True “socialized medicine” would undoubtedly cost less, and a straightforward extension of Medicare-type coverage to all Americans would probably be cheaper than a Swiss-style system. That’s why I and others believe that a true public option competing with private insurers is extremely important: otherwise, rising costs could all too easily undermine the whole effort.

But a Swiss-style system of universal coverage would be a vast improvement on what we have now. And we already know that such systems work.

So we can do this. At this point, all that stands in the way of universal health care in America are the greed of the medical-industrial complex, the lies of the right-wing propaganda machine, and the gullibility of voters who believe those lies.

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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 11:01 AM
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1. Well. the Netherlands is sort of like that as well...
But hey, the Swiss do make great cheese and really good knifes...

Check out this article in the NYT Magazine from a few weeks ago...

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/03/magazine/03european-t.html
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 11:12 AM
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2. Not really,
the Netherlands system is private.



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Becky72 Donating Member (457 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 11:27 AM
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3. If only Obama had promised a Netherlands-type kind of health care
But for some reason, he didn't consider it the best for us.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 11:33 AM
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5. Why on earth would he opt for the Netherland's system over the Swiss'? n/t
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bornskeptic Donating Member (951 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 12:37 PM
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6. What distinction are you making?
While there are differences in details, the Swiss system and the Dutch system are basically the same in principal. Both require everyone to purchase basic insurance from a private insurer, and neither has a public option. The Netherlands apparently also has government-provided insurance for long term care. I don't know whether Switzerland has anything similar.

Krugman is not saying that Obama wants to imitate the Swiss system exactly, but only in overall concept. The purpose of the public option is to ensure that insurers to compete in price and quality. In Switzerland and the Netherlands such competition does occur without the additional incentve of a government-run competitor. For things to work out well without a public option, the government needs to establish and enforce strict regulations. I suspect that that might work here while Democrats are in power. The main reason I want to see a public option is that I'm afraid the Republicans will eventually take over again and appoint regulators who don't regulate. In that case, the public option would be the only protection against insurance company abuses.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 12:50 PM
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7. Two, which I think show a slight difference
In Switzerland, "lower-income citizens get government help in paying for their policies."

In Obama's plan, there is a public option that will be available to low income and through small businesses to start.

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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 11:28 AM
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4. But a very highly regulated system.
Hoogervorst, the former minister of public health who developed and implemented the new system three years ago. The old system involved a vast patchwork of insurers and depended on heavy government regulation to keep costs down. Hoogervorst — a conservative economist and devout believer in the powers of the free market — wanted to streamline and privatize the system, to offer consumers their choice of insurers and plans but also to ensure that certain conditions were maintained via regulation and oversight. It is illegal in the current system for an insurance company to refuse to accept a client, or to charge more for a client based on age or health. Where in the United States insurance companies try to wriggle out of covering chronically ill patients, in the Dutch system the government oversees a fund from which insurers that take on more high-cost clients can be compensated. It seems to work. A study by the Commonwealth Fund found that 54 percent of chronically ill patients in the United States avoided some form of medical attention in 2008 because of costs, while only 7 percent of chronically ill people in the Netherlands did so for financial reasons.


This is from the story I cited above...
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ipaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 01:13 PM
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8. The dilemma is a true public option, a strong public option
Edited on Mon Aug-17-09 01:13 PM by ipaint
requires tens of millions of people of all ages and health to run efficiently with maximun negotiating power in order to cut costs across the board. If we ever got that our current ins. industry would be forced to downsize considerably.

Mandates without a strong public option and strong regulation will sink the program. People will not be able to pay rising costs.
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