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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 12:08 PM
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Big Ed said Obama is acting like a Senator instead of a President
with this harping on bipartisanship with health care.That's the best comment I've heard on how this President is acting.
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Graybeard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 12:13 PM
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1. He blasted the idea of a co-op too.
We are not commodities to be traded like hog jowls or soy bean futures.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 12:15 PM
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2. That "bipartisan" crap is Obama's achilles heel...
For his sake and ours, I hope he wakes up.

Sometimes I think he has an unhealthy need to be liked by bullies and sociopaths.

(I know, I know, it's strategy, it's chess, he's five steps ahead of us...)
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 12:17 PM
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5. I think he's giving them the opportunity to deny the people.....
and they'll pay the price when it passes.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 12:32 PM
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8. +1
I don't think Obama is that "green" or naive.

People differ with his strategy and sense of timing.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 12:34 PM
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9. The other side sees it as weakness and takes advantage...
...and then our side gives up way too much.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 01:03 PM
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15. Yeah, but they just don't know anything about 8,658,358-dimensional chess! n/t
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 01:07 PM
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16. LOL - I keep forgetting. :)
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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 12:36 PM
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10. Thanks. Yes. I wonder about that sometimes as well. Well put!!
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countingbluecars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 12:16 PM
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3. So how should the president
be behaving according to Big Ed?
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Baltoman991 Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 12:23 PM
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7. IMO, Big Ed
and others seem to want Obama to start acting like the fool they blasted for the past 8 years while he was in office.

Obama is doing fine as far as I'm concerned. Do I like everything he's done? Nope, not by a long shot. But then again, I listened to him the past two years when he said he's going to piss everyone off sooner or later.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 12:16 PM
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4. Given the many successes so far, I'm not sure I would agree...its so easy to opine on
these things but if the shoe were to be on the other foot, big ed might wish to reconsider.

I realize this Ed guy is trying to help, kinda prod the man along, but he should remember President Obama didn't get there by being lolo...I am for a wait and see mode...so far so good, better than expected even...
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 12:43 PM
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11. "he should remember President Obama didn't get there by being lolo"
And Obama ought to remember that he couldn't get where he is without people like Ed and us.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 12:58 PM
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12. Thats a given....Its a 4 year term...we cannot get involved to the point of nit picking
etc....

as far as I am concerned...until a massive fuckup is caused by a bad decision...he gets my BOD.

He shows Promise far more than anyone else on the block...he needs our support...not of the blind kind but real support..He is our only hope at this time for a better world
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 01:09 PM
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17. There's nothing about this health care debate today that's "nit picking"
We're talking about a co-op Public Option that could be tailor made for failure. Failure to provide health care for tens of millions of Americans.

If you think this is nit picking I think you're way off base. If we don't push the president on this, we might as well go completely apathetic.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 01:25 PM
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18. Next to Moot Distraction when compared to real global concerns
rising sea levels, diminishing water supplies, population outta control, no reserves.. should famine occur, energy use still in wasteful stage, etc etc..

subjects that matter to ALL of US HUMANS....

we are wasting precious time ,,,not even looking for answers is evident to me...I only see small manini efforts to address global concerns

Where is a project to address reef degradation due to the Crown of THORNS Starfish? 1/5 of our reefs are gone and there is no major effort to solve?

Mny many questions out there being put aside due to Tribal thinking....we need Global thinking
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 02:22 PM
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20. If our government doesn't get health care right, it will never get the global issues straight
If we can't use our own taxes to give ourselves a decent health care system - you can forget the rest.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 02:31 PM
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21. I strongley believe we will get the NHS for all American Citizens
The Global concerns are far more pressing...

What good is the best Health Care for us.... if the World becomes inadequate for 7 BILLION People

We will face a world depression evoking higher odds for conflict and degradation as a species...we need to act like we got some intelligence...beyond basic survival...
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 12:22 PM
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6. I pray Obama is doin a Rope-A-Dope and driving GOP numbers even lower like he did with Sotomayor
...and the Hispanic community.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 01:01 PM
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13. Um... is Congress in session now and is there a final bill for Obama to sign?
Edited on Mon Aug-17-09 01:09 PM by zulchzulu
Last I checked, Congress is on vacation and Obama is out trying to fight off the whiners LIKE ED that seem to like the sound of their own voice more than perhaps helping him get the message out.

Big Ed goes into the weeds sometimes on these issues. He's filling in time trying to be just as much of an asshat as a Teabag heckler when he could perhaps talk more calmly about the issues.

He should be beating up on the Repigs.
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ArnoldLayne Donating Member (871 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 01:02 PM
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14. I think it's time for Ed to get into politics
He would be a great Senator but I then I would miss him not having his show on MSNBC.
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 01:31 PM
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19. Lead,
Follow, or Get Out of the Way.

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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 02:32 PM
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22. (shrug) Yglesias disagrees...
http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2009/08/the-daschle-counterfactual.php

"I think there’s something perverse in the very strong desire I see among liberals to make problems in congress be about anything other than congress. It’s just not in the power of Barack Obama to make the senate anything other than what it is. To pass a bill, you need sixty votes. To get sixty votes you need Ben Nelson or Olympia Snowe to back your bill. Neither Nelson nor Snowe is especially liberal, and the President doesn’t have a great deal of leverage over either of them. You can try to change the rules, or you can accept that you’re at the mercy of Nelson and Snowe and maybe a few other moderate members. And it’s crucial to remember that these people—each and every member of congress—is an adult human being, capable of making up his or her own mind, responsible for his or her own decisions, and possessed of moral agency. These are men and women who have amassed a great deal of power, and who ultimately need to decide on a daily basis what it is they want to do with that power. If they choose to use it for bad ends, then blame them for that, not Obama or his team’s alleged lack of familiarity with the United States Senate. "
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 02:41 PM
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23. Pres Obama has a strategy in what he's
doing ..it's not just "bi-partisanship" for the sake of it. But, so many on this board don't get it(but so many do:).

Whatever, if Big Ed wants to say that then maybe it will be all the more better when Prez doesn't need the repukes.

Some more of the refreshing LemonadeB-)
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 03:29 PM
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24. I'm not sure how people think it is supposed to work.
The President seems to be acting like a President operating under the Constitution. I feel the Senate is getting too much hand in this as the House is supposed to control the purse strings but other than that, this seems to be going perfectly appropriately. It was Bush that was the Legislator in Chief, with Congress just rubberstamping whatever he dictated. In fact, it's like the powers were reversed and the Legislator in Chief was only really vetoed on his social security scam.
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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 07:05 PM
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25. Legislators generally make poor executives.
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