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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 12:25 PM
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Great flowchart on where the current healthcare reform model will take us
Edited on Mon Aug-17-09 12:48 PM by Teaser
link


Not horrendous. Not my ideal either.

on edit: jeez, I can't embed PNG images here?
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 12:34 PM
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1. on further thought, why isn't every dem distributing this at their "town halls?"
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 12:35 PM
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3. Exactly. We need a lot of pro-active voices and bodies to counterbalance the ca-ca.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 12:34 PM
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2. here's the chart:
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swilton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 02:48 PM
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23. What About Pre-existing Conditions or
Being dropped by one's parent insurance company.
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 12:37 PM
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4. Yah well
we're talking a lot about subsidizing insurance premiums. Why not call it a tax? Tax everybody. If you pay private insurance you offset the tax at the end of the year by the amount of your private insurance premiums. That encourages insurance companies to have competitive premiums if all things considered the government cost of health care is less than private care for primary healthcare.

OR in addition to helping the poorest people pay their PREMIUM (god that riles me), ensure that the premiums themselves are level for anyone who is not being subsidized. The great absence of knowledge on this part (and it's a pretty big part) means I don't think we've thought it through all the way or if we have our heads are tit deep in the sand.

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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 12:38 PM
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5. Where is the line to "You are still uninsured bitch. Pay your fee"?
Wow. Only 3.5% of people will be covered by the public option. Why is everyone having orgasms over it again?
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 12:45 PM
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6. That's below the second diamond.
it routes you either into subsidized health care (either a public option, or something else) or unsubsidized health care (public option of some other plan).
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 12:50 PM
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8. No. There will be people in neither according to the CBO scoring
There will still be uninsured with the mandates
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 12:54 PM
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10. oh that's a certainty, but below left diamond 2
is where they are *intended* to be routed.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 12:57 PM
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11. I understand. Just do be accurate, we need a "bitch/fine" oval though.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 01:17 PM
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14. well, I can't be more accurate, as I didn't make the chart.
But I don't think I've disagreed with anything you've written yet.
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SpartanDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 01:53 PM
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19. They also say those will largely be illegal aliens
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 12:49 PM
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7. If I am mandated to pay health insurance, I will be homeless
You might as well tax the air I breathe.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 12:52 PM
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9. Thats fine. BCBS has large boxes with their logos on them
Complementary when you pay a mandated premium.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 01:46 PM
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18. They're not taxing the air you breathe. That would be an Orwellian, Kafkaesque, dystopian nightmare.
NO. They're taxing the body you breathe air with.

Don't like auto liability insurance? Don't drive. Don't like the body tax? Die.
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 02:36 PM
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21. don't know if that was serious or sarcastic
but a good post either way.

1. Negotiate your costs with pharma.
2. Demand cost reform in the private sector
3. Tax EVERYONE.
4. Allow a deduction for having private health insurance and/or write your total private premiums paid off against your public option taxes collected.
5. If you change insurance status change your deduction.
6. Guaranty coverage on a longer COBRA period or else allow COBRA on a shorter employment period (say 6+ months).

Make it work. Guaranty level premiums. Guaranty cost controls. Make the public option a real option. Bring the health insurance industry to its knees. It does not have a "right to exist" that supercedes the rights of humans to exist.

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ipaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 01:00 PM
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12. People actually think this is reform???
Where is the box for the uninsured? Are they invisible? Unreal.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 01:21 PM
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15. Much like this reform:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGKkPEvD2OM


Ted Kennedy saw the problem then.
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ipaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 01:36 PM
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16. Yes, too bad he shelved the idea and went for federally funded private HMO's. n/t
Edited on Mon Aug-17-09 01:37 PM by ipaint
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 01:41 PM
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17. Are you kidding? Did you read the chart?
Three levels of the insured.
1. Medicare/Medicaid (Apx 75 million)
2. Employer Offered (Apx 125 million)
3. Uninsured (Apx 100 Million)

How can you not get that, without trying to not get it?
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 01:54 PM
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20. The number of uninsured doubled overnight??? n/t
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ipaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 02:36 PM
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22. Actually I'm referring to the CBO estimate of 17 million left uninsured
after reform. But hey, who's counting them. They are as good as dead anyway.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 01:08 PM
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13. knr nt
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 11:52 PM
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24. Not very many in the public plan, most subsidies will go to private
for profit companies.

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