The ED Show beginning now! He's MAD!!!!!! -nt

democrat2thecore

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Mon Aug-17-09 05:01 PM
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The ED Show beginning now! He's MAD!!!!!! -nt

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CreekDog

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Mon Aug-17-09 05:02 PM
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1. he was this morning

nice to see people on the side reform fired up. :rant:

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Better Believe It

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Mon Aug-17-09 05:03 PM
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2. Watching it .... have to record it.

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eleny

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Mon Aug-17-09 05:05 PM
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3. Like he did on his radio show, he told Obama that he isn't a senator any more

He needs to act like a president not a senator.

Good for Ed.:thumbsup:

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Mon Aug-17-09 05:09 PM
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7. yeah

and that the niceness isn't working! He needs to write something up and tell Congress to get it done for him!

Thank You Ed.

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polichick

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Mon Aug-17-09 05:11 PM
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10. Glad he said that - all this niceness is counterproductive. nt

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Raffi Ella

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Mon Aug-17-09 05:12 PM
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12. It truly is!

and do you think the repukes are EVER going to give him credit for trying to be bipartisan? HELL NO. they'll laugh at him for it in 2012, use it against him!

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polichick

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Mon Aug-17-09 05:22 PM
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20. You're right - it's just "weakness" to them. nt

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Butch350

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Mon Aug-17-09 05:51 PM
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46. I guess it's all as simple as that?

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Raffi Ella

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Mon Aug-17-09 08:51 PM
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52. no, I see your point.

However if he'd started this conversation with a plan of his own it would've given Us something to stand behind and rally for and given the Congress something to work with.

It would have been a lot better if he'd taken control at the very start of his administration and not have let them taken over the issue and steamroll the public with the insurance co.'s billions in propaganda. Don't you agree with that?

President Obama has my full support but as it stands what exactly is it that I'm supporting? How am I NOT suppose to be frustrated by what has happened with the health-care issue?

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Mon Aug-17-09 05:49 PM
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45. When I posted this on July 30th, I was vilified....

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/WCGreen/131

Question: Could it be that Obama is acting more like a Senator than a President...

He was handed a mandate and he wishes to negotiate...

Believe me, I want the guy to win, I want national health care for all even though I have gone through that threshold into Medicare.

At first I believe he was going to set parameters and then let the legislators fill in the details.

But now he is out campaigning for this nebulous health care plan that is in constant flux.

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democrat2thecore

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Mon Aug-17-09 05:07 PM
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4. WOW!

Video of Obama saying he won't sign a bill without public option

quick cut to....

Video of Obama saying public option is just a "sliver" of health care reform.

"Same president - saying two very different things."

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Mon Aug-17-09 05:17 PM
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16. Nice of Ed to make a commercial for the repugs

"even the libral media says so"

:eyes:

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Mon Aug-17-09 05:19 PM
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18. It's about POLICY, my friend, POLICY. Politics is secondary. -nt

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PolNewf

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Mon Aug-17-09 05:27 PM
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27. For the shortsighted perhaps n/t

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Mon Aug-17-09 05:07 PM
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5. I like Ed, but he seems to get it all turned around on this.

Obama said he wanted some kind of public option and his bill would have it.. (remember the bills are in the house and senate and not on Obamas desk yet)/// What Obama said was that public option is a part of the bill he wants..

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Mon Aug-17-09 05:08 PM
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6. Gibbs? Is that YOU? No...that's NOT what Obama said. -nt

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Peacetrain

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Mon Aug-17-09 05:10 PM
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9. No not Gibbs... but I have been supporting Obama long enough

to know how he words things.. this whole idea that Obama somehow said he did not want a public option is CAPITAL bullshit.

Obama said that public option was not the only part of this bill.. what part of that is everyone not getting??

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Mon Aug-17-09 05:13 PM
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14. Where is Obama today?

Pelosi issued a statement on public option.
Where's Obama? He has confused everybody. As with every other issue, he's trying to please everyone and for some bizarre reason - doesn't seem to have it to stand up and lead! And not just on health care.

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Mon Aug-17-09 05:22 PM
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21. Where he is always been..Obama has not changed one iota

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democrat2thecore

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Mon Aug-17-09 05:29 PM
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36. Sheesh.....nt

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Peacetrain

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Mon Aug-17-09 05:40 PM
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43. You can sheesh till the cows come home..but Obama is where he always was

Wanting a public option, and private insurance reform. He has not moved one inch off of that. The bills are complex, and not simplistically one thing or the other. The public option is not important to 60% of the people..but insurance reform is.

Obama saying that public option is not the only thing or central thing in the health care reform bill is right.

They are all pieces of the a big puzzle that has not even hit his desk yet.

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polichick

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Mon Aug-17-09 05:09 PM
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8. Ed is good as sniffing out bullshit. nt

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proud patriot

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Mon Aug-17-09 05:11 PM
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11. I'm learning to like ED

Edited on Mon Aug-17-09 05:12 PM by proud patriot

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PolNewf

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Mon Aug-17-09 05:13 PM
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13. So misguided

It is good to see people finally getting fired up but you should be pushing congress and Obama, not attacking them. Yell at them, demand more, threaten to vote em out. But don't attack them in a way the republicans can use.

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Mon Aug-17-09 05:17 PM
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15. This IS pushing him!

He said on the campaign trail to "set me straight" "call me out" when he veered off the track of standing up for the "regular guy" because, after all "I'm only human." Well, that's EXACTLY what ED is doing.

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PolNewf

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Mon Aug-17-09 05:25 PM
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24. You do realize I can make a video of Ed calling the president two-faced right?

Attacking isn't pushing.

Get up there and yell that democrats shouldn't vote for Obama or congressional dems without a public option. I would even suggest calling them out for being corporate stooges, as republicans aren't in any position to throws stones on that issue. Imagine a republican ad calling Obama a corp stooge lol.

Demand what you want but be smart enough to realize that attacks weaken your target and strengthen their enemies.

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Mon Aug-17-09 05:29 PM
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33. IF you're primary thinking is political. If it's about POLICY - you stand up and tell the truth

And the truth is as Ed is giving it. He doesn't care that by showing those two videos could "help Republicans".....he's showing it because it's showing that the president is saying two different things, looking weak, acting weak and is not showing presidential leadership on a major piece of monumental legislation. Politics comes later, right now the president is trying to charm his way out of promises made. It won't work!

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PolNewf

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Mon Aug-17-09 05:37 PM
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42. Okay then. Lets assume you are right.

And Ed's meme becomes conventional wisdom. Republicans and liberals like Ed convince the world that "Obama is the president is saying two different things, looking weak, acting weak and is not showing presidential leadership".

Now Obama is powerless, Carter 2.0. His bully pulpit, which is his only real power, is now useless.

Have no fear, after Obama is destroyed you still have tons of strong democratic leaders that can push legislation through.

:nopity:

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Mon Aug-17-09 07:09 PM
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51. Good Fucking Grief Get A GRIP

You sound like a 14 year old after the ""puppy love" went south. Grow up.....

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Mon Aug-17-09 05:18 PM
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17. He should be mad at

his corporate bosses for the spin being put on this issue.

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democrat2thecore

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Mon Aug-17-09 05:23 PM
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23. You're obviously not watching the show

Edited on Mon Aug-17-09 05:24 PM by democrat2thecore

It's clear that it's not "media spin" that this administration is running away from public option. Don't blame the messenger!

If there's such a commitment to it - where's the one paragraph statement saying reform must include public option? Wouldn't that clear things up real quick like?

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Mon Aug-17-09 05:27 PM
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28. I listened to President Obama's

entire town hall meeting on Saturday. I don't need the media to interpret what I heard. The media is spinning it.

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Mon Aug-17-09 05:21 PM
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19. Ed should put himself in psycho talk. nt

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Mon Aug-17-09 05:22 PM
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22. Don't Dis Ed for being passionate.

I love Big Ed. He speaks for me re: Health Care. :grouphug:

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SIMPLYB1980

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Mon Aug-17-09 05:25 PM
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25. I'll dis Ed as much as I want.

Edited on Mon Aug-17-09 05:25 PM by SIMPLYB1980

Especially when he acts like a raging idiot.

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Mon Aug-17-09 05:27 PM
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29. He is an enemy of the people. n/t

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SIMPLYB1980

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Mon Aug-17-09 05:29 PM
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34. No just an idiot and a useful one for republicans. nt

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Mon Aug-17-09 05:31 PM
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39. as well as Blue Dog Democrats.

:evilgrin:

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Mon Aug-17-09 06:36 PM
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49. The people have many enemies, Comrade.

When the revolution is complete, they will all have been silenced.

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ShortnFiery

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Mon Aug-17-09 05:30 PM
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37. What us Democrats FORGET is that there is an emotional component to POLITICS.

This cold pragmatism and rationality will not get us anywhere.

The Republicans use FEAR and FALSE IMAGERY. Therefore it's beyond time that Democrats REFUSE to accept the GOP framing the issues.

It's beyond time for Democrats to get EMOTIONAL and use FEELING IMAGES in a "good and passionate way."

There's nothing wrong with showing emotion when people are genuinely hurting due to corporate greed.

As a Nation, America has lost it's SOUL and sense of COMPASSION for the "common human being."

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polichick

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Mon Aug-17-09 05:52 PM
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47. Well said. nt

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polichick

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Mon Aug-17-09 05:25 PM
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26. Only if speaking the truth equals "psycho talk." nt

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Mon Aug-17-09 05:28 PM
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31. Ed wouldn't know the truth if it kicked him in the balls. nt

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Mon Aug-17-09 05:29 PM
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35. It may be the truth, but it isn't smart nt

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polichick

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Mon Aug-17-09 05:30 PM
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38. Speaking up isn't smart? nt

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Mon Aug-17-09 05:33 PM
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40. We've been "the smartest kids in the class" it's now time to STIR UP EMOTIONS.

That's how the republicans get these poor blue collar rural people to vote against their own best interest: They stir up FEAR and LOATHING. We need to stir up some RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION and DEMAND for a fair health care system that doesn't profit from death and dying.

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polichick

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Mon Aug-17-09 05:34 PM
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41. I agree! nt

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Mon Aug-17-09 05:28 PM
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Ugh...

Can't watch. Ed has actually surprised me with his thoughtful and cogent analysis on his teevee show. If he starts unloading the blowharded bluster, I'm done.

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Mon Aug-17-09 05:28 PM
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30. Good show today

and particularly refreshing after that piece of work from tweety right before.

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Mon Aug-17-09 05:41 PM
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44. "Angry" or "pissed" might be a better word. Ambiguity and all.

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Mon Aug-17-09 05:57 PM
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48. He always seems mad to me.

I think him--most of the time---but he always seems like he is yelling at someone.

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Mon Aug-17-09 06:37 PM
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50. Big Ed doing the good work of a "former Republican" giving ammo to the Repigs

I never trusted Ed.

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Mon Aug-17-09 08:54 PM
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53. Ed who and where? nt

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