Look, Pres. Obama is just trying to get the Senate to pass _any_ bill.

The real legislation comes from the House-Senate conference report, which will likely end up with some form of public option.

Can we all chill just a bit, and stop acting like Obama has sold us down the river?

Remember, this guy plays chess, not checkers!

We're Democrats, we do not chill ....... we argue. ;)

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about how awful and terrible President Obama is we wouldn't be good progressive democrats:sarcasm:

issus no matter what the issue, we would be republicans...

We've gotta get more upbeat than ever and excited to talk to anyone we can about health care. We've gotta get it out into the open that the people still want real change. Even Maddow and Olbermann are weighing the towel in their hands now. More noise needs to be made about the possibility of change. And we can do it! Go down to your local hospitals and carry picket signs on your days off. Talk to people who come by about health care and see what they've got to say and let them know your arguments.

Yes, stevietheman's right - Obama's current strategy is to soft-shoe on the public option for the moment, and otherwise coax Blue Cross Baucus and the Finance committee to crap out their sorry excuse for a health care bill. And yes, it doesn't really matter what bill comes out - the real action happens when the bills go to conference committee. The public option is far from dead, despite the media's attempts to declare it dead, hold its funeral, have a 24/7 wake, etc.

In the meantime, YES, we need to keep the pressure up. Keep making the lives of Blue Cross Baucus, Conrad, other Finance committee members your own Senators, etc. difficult - make sure they know we'll never fucking forgive them if they sell us out on public option. Keep the pressure on the House - they're the firewall - they WILL pass a public option in HR 3200, and we need to make sure the Progressive Caucus is on-board and ready to torpedo health care "reform" with no public option. And we need to make sure the White House hears us loud and clear - the teabaggers are spamming the White House lines, but we need to be doing that too.

At least not one with any real teeth.

That said, let's remember that there's enough House progressives to stop the final bill if it doesn't contain what they consider to be a strong public option.

It can be so structured as to actually move away from REAL reform.
Mandated purchase of Health Insurance combined with a weak and inaccessible Public Option WILL make things much worse.

DESIGNED to Fail....as in HR 3200.

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what's in it. That is the trouble. He goes out and speaks about health insurance reform...health care reform is over. He acts like he is for the public option and then he sends his lackeys out to test the waters about removing the public option. If he signs a bill without the public option, he is a loser and he will never get my vote again. I do not care who he is running against.

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I don't want another Republican fucking up the country. I am so pissed off right now. Republicans don't give a crap what they do after they win, they just want to win.

I wish Democrats had balls. We have the majority! I bet the Republicans are smiling now. Sick freaks. Say what you want about Bush, at least he doesn't give a shit what anybody says!

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That's what Obama did when he put Single Payer off the table!

..why are Americans so scared of the single payer option? What a selfish group of people.

Why did we bail out the banks rather than nationalize them? The people think they own this country, but we really don't.

You can't fault Obama for not pushing single-payer when he blatantly campaigned on "if you like your insurance you get to keep it". If you want to fault him for not campaigning on single-payer that's a different story.

When I had the same insurance company with a different employer, they screwed us nine ways to Sunday with randomly denied claims that took half a dozen calls to resolve. I think they gamble that some insureds will just give up and pay the bills on their own, which I'm sure happens enough times to make it a profitable practice for them.

I don't know what their deal is with my husband's company, but they behave themselves much better, even though his company ranks about 40 lower on the Fortune 100. I have yet to have a screwed up claim since I dropped my employer's plan and started using my husband's insurance.

Even though they're not too bad at the moment, I'd be stupid to trust them. I'd much prefer a single payer government system.

so really, what does his campaign rhetoric have to do with anything? He claims to have 'changed his mind' about mandates, but you seem to say he could not 'change his mind' about single payer. If what he said on the trail is some form of promise, then he should still oppose mandates. Many voted for him over Clinton because of that one issue.

Forget it Mr President, it ain't gonna happen....and Democrats keep trying the same things and expecting a different outcome.....To Hell with them...Mr President the time is now, not 60 more years down the road...NOW

Isn't that the game where The Pawns are sacrificed to protect The Royalty?

Sucks if you are a Pawn like me without Health Care.

The Royal CEO of a Health Insurance Corp would like it, so I guess thats something.

because that one has gotten awfully stale.

Go fish.

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I lay the inspiration at a certain canine's feet.

And leaving his strongest supporters holding the bag.

I fear the administration cannot be trusted on this issue. They will selll out at the drop of a hat.

Which is why WE have to KEEP and INCREASE the pressure on him directly, as well as on our representatives.

We CAN win this, but let's not be foolish enough to place blind trust in our so-called leaders.

With Nate at 538.com saying there are only 43 votes for a public option in the Senate, it's gone. Instead we get Kent's co-opted co-ops which will be nickel and dimed to be as weak as possible. And what do we get in return? We get Romneycare, buy a policy so riddled with loopholes it won't cover shit that makes even more money for Rick Scott and his CEO pals! Well, Obama promised us change we could believe in. Change is all we'll have left in our pockets after this latest version of Corporate welfare. Gee, Mr. President, can't you afford to at least give us a tube of K-Y?

Actually, they have been there since the days when Clinton tried to get the gays in the military ban lifted. Of course, if only Obama was more like Bush and shoved things through as a unitary executive that would be great. The truth is the House liberals want public option, the blue dogs in the Senate will not go for it. Obama has to play the peace maker and get it through to get to the conference committee. No amount of public pressure would move the blue dogs anyway. You do realize that many of them come from states that elected McCain and they care only about getting reelected and/or their future cushy jobs?