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Political Tiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 03:13 AM
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Obama affirms DOMA is discriminatory, calls for repeal in legal brief
In a brief filed Monday morning in a lawsuit challenging the validity of DOMA, the Justice Department put on the record that the administration favors repeal of the statute — a position that was omitted from a controversial legal filing the department made in June. DOJ also explicitly rejected arguments put forward by conservative groups that the importance of marriage for child rearing is a legitimate justification for DOMA's ban on federal recognition of same-sex unions.

The brief states:

"The government does not contend that there are legitimate government interests in "creating a legal structure that promotes the raising of children by both of their biological parents" or that the government's interest in "responsible procreation" justifies Congress's decision to define marriage as a union between one man and one woman. ... Since DOMA was enacted, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Psychological Association, the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, the American Medical Association, and the Child Welfare League of America have issued policies opposing restrictions on lesbian and gay parenting because they concluded, based on numerous studies, that children raised by gay and lesbian parents are as likely to be well-adjusted as children raised by heterosexual parents. ... The United States does not believe that DOMA is rationally related to any legitimate government interests in procreation and child-rearing and is therefore not relying upon any such interests to defend DOMA's constitutionality"


http://straighttalkonmarriage.blogspot.com/2009/08/obama-affirms-doma-is-discriminatory.html
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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 03:17 AM
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1. k/r
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 04:10 AM
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2. Excellent! Glad he finally is getting around to this n/t
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ellie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 08:33 AM
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4. I would think
that this would make people happy! Where are all the comments?
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 08:36 AM
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6. commented yesterday
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Mystayya Donating Member (324 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 09:25 AM
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10. I believe it is a basic lack of trust
Edited on Tue Aug-18-09 09:26 AM by Mystayya
When you look at what's been done so far You can't expect the GBLT community to jump up and down or get on their knees in gratitude. It's my opinion that much of the GBLT community is watching this with cautious optimism. I know that I personally, do not trust this President when it comes to issues pertaining to GBLT matters. That trust was broken and will take a bit to be re-established.
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pollo poco Donating Member (286 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 09:26 PM
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33. This makes me happy n/t
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 08:34 AM
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5. Didn't you write a long OP criticizing the gay people here
Edited on Tue Aug-18-09 08:35 AM by ruggerson
for getting angry about the first DOMA brief in Smelt? Replete with paragraphs of US Code about how the Justice Dept is completely autonomous from the WH and that we didn't understand that Obama had restored the rule of law? And that our criticisms of the language in the brief were nothing more than Obama bashing?

This thread (in part) is for you:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8595061
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Boomerang Diddle Donating Member (566 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 09:11 AM
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8. No.
I never wrote such a thing and furthermore I don't look at people as groups as you appear to.

I don't criticize "the gay people here" because I understand that "the gay people here" are no different than the straight people here, or the black people here, or the Hispanic people here, or the disabled people here or any other of the people here!

You see, I understand that "the gay people here" don't speak with one voice. I see that "the gay people here" are just as diverse as any other "people" here. I realize that "the gay people here" don't all walk in lock step and have differing views and opinions, just like everyone else.

You may have convinced yourself that all "the gay people here" are exactly like you, but I know better.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 09:21 AM
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9. try to focus. I addressed that to Political Tiger
not you. Your hyperventilating about group identity notwithstanding.
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VMI Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 11:36 AM
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13. "the gay people here" are no different....other than the whole civil rights thing.
But thats just minor....background noise.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 11:31 PM
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 04:59 PM
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26. Imagine you posting something other than a personal attack.
Come to think of it, I can't imagine that.

Apparently you can't either, or you surely would have tried it at least once.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 05:11 PM
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30. All we get is lip service!
Even Bush didn't refer to LGBTs as pedophiles and incestuous. Obama's DOJ did!
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 07:44 PM
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31. aww Eggy
Edited on Fri Aug-21-09 08:03 PM by ruggerson
stalking me now? I've told you repeatedly I ain't interested. You're out of shape and uneducated. Besides, I'm already taken.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 08:24 PM
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32. Sounds like you have an admirer! n/t
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 08:47 AM
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7. I think this is a result of a President that actually listens when people are upset
about something he or his DOJ has done. I wish it had happened sooner but I am happy they are finally getting it correct!
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 09:55 AM
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11. You call for repeal by introducing a bill for its repeal, not by writing a memo
Does Obama think we are really that stupid?
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Hard_Work Donating Member (283 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 11:32 AM
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12. You DO know
The President doesn't introduce bills, right?
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 11:41 AM
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14. Has Obama addressed Congress on this matter?
Has the White House prepared a the text of a bill and have someone in Congress introduce it?

Has Obama publicly endorse and push for existing ENDA bill?
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VMI Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 11:46 AM
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15. "Next week I shall ask the Congress of the United States to act,
to make a commitment it has not fully made in this century to the proposition that race has no place in American life or law."

It got done too. You DO know, right?
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 01:00 PM
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16. It is about fucking time!
It's really nice that Obama's Justice Department is going to Finally support us in getting DOMA overturned through the courts.

So, when is the Obama's Administration going to endorse legislation to repeal DOMA? Is he going to support our efforts on the hill?

It's nice that he's FINALLY listening to the loud chorus of complaints saying that we know damned well when we've been thrown under the bus by broken campaign promises. It's nice that he;s FINALLY responding and changing his administration's approach to the LGBT community's rights.

But let's be clear about this. This is just one small step finally moving in the right direction towards keeping campaign promises. This isn't enough, especially after we have had to raise hell for the past 8 months just to get him to come this far.
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 04:52 PM
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17. kick
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 05:09 PM
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18. Obama Administration Attempts to Weaken Constitutional Protections for LGBT Americans
Two articles about the new DOMA repackaging:

Obama Administration Attempts to Weaken Constitutional Protections for LGBT Americans

Emma Ruby-Sachs.Lawyer
Posted: August 17, 2009 07:44 PM


Yesterday, the Obama administration filed a follow-up brief in the Smelt case -- the couple in California challenging DOMA who were the recipients of an imprudently written reply brief back in June. This time, it looks like some liberals in the Justice Department got their hands on a copy of the brief before filing. There are some nice words in there aimed at smoothing hurt feelings.

But the brief also argues for a new and dangerous interpretation of the rational basis test.

The rational basis test is applied by the court to laws that violate the equal protection clause, but do not implicate certain protected groups. In other words, if the law does not discriminate on the basis of race or gender, it will likely be upheld if the government can find any rational reason why the law exists. These reasons can be invented on the spot and are usually not tested very vigorously.

However, even this low standard of constitutional review has limits and one very important limit is that the government cannot argue that a law discriminates for the sole purpose of "administrative convenience."

This limit on rational basis is essential. Otherwise, all offensive and discriminatory laws would be maintained indefinitely because change is, frankly, hard and often expensive. As Chief Justice Burger said in his majority opinion in Reed v. Reed 404 U.S. 71 (1971) (a case where rational basis review was applied to a law discriminating against women):

To give a mandatory preference to members of either sex over members of the other, merely to accomplish the elimination of hearings on the merits, is to make the very kind of arbitrary legislative choice forbidden by the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.

This is a pretty important precedent, but Obama's Justice Department is interested in changing the way constitutional review works. They write in their brief:

Courts have held that challenges to DOMA are subject to rational basis review. Under that deferential standard of review, this Court should find that Congress could reasonably have concluded that there is a legitimate government interest in maintaining the status quo regarding the distribution of federal benefits in the face of serious and fluid policy differences in and among the states. ...Under rational basis review, Congress can reasonably take the view that it wishes to wait to see how these issues are resolved at the state level before extending federal benefits to marriages that were not recognized in any state when Congress tied eligibility for those benefits to marital status.

Effectively, Obama is saying that, given the vast disagreements between states about whether institutionalized homophobia is okay, it would just be too inconvenient for the Federal government to weigh in. Better to wait and see and once there is consensus, the government will have an easier time legislating all this marriage business.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/emma-rubysachs/obama-administration-atte_b_261624.html

Published on Tuesday, August 18, 2009 by The San Francisco Chronicle

US Walks Fine Line on Anti-Gay-Marriage Law
by Bob Egelko

SANTA ANA -- The Obama administration tried Monday to defuse anger among gays and lesbians over its defense of a law denying federal benefits to same-sex married couples, criticizing the Defense of Marriage Act as it asked a judge to dismiss an Orange County couple's legal challenge without ruling on the law's constitutionality.

The administration "does not support (the law) as a matter of policy, believes that it is discriminatory and supports its repeal," Justice Department lawyers said in written arguments in U.S. District Court in Santa Ana.

They said the administration would defend any federal law if there are "reasonable arguments" to uphold it. But this case "can and should be decided on much narrower grounds," the department lawyers argued - the plaintiffs' failure to show that the law has harmed them.

The couple have not sought any of the benefits the law withholds from same-sex couples. Another suit is pending in Massachusetts by couples who applied unsuccessfully for federal marriage benefits.

The law, signed by President Bill Clinton in 1996, denies joint tax filing, Social Security survivors' payments and other federal benefits to same-sex couples. It also allows states to withhold recognition of same-sex marriages performed elsewhere.

The Orange County couple, Arthur Smelt and Christopher Hammer of Mission Viejo, wed last year before California voters outlawed same-sex marriage by passing Proposition 8 in November.

Smelt and Hammer, one of 18,000 couples whose pre-Prop. 8 marriages were upheld by the state Supreme Court, contend the federal law violates their constitutional right of equal treatment. A judge has scheduled a hearing Monday on the government's request to dismiss the case.

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2009/08/18-3
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pollo poco Donating Member (286 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 09:31 PM
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35. OK, well not so happy now n/t
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Sapphocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 11:26 PM
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22. Yeah, THIS week.
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 07:33 AM
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24. It's a good first step
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 05:06 PM
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27. Excellent, noted and appreciated, news.
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