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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 05:52 AM
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Cenk Uygur: The Unbearable Weakness of Democratic Being
A Rasmussen poll now has the Republican Party as more trusted on the health care issue than Democrats. That's insanity. The Republicans have killed all efforts at health care reform before, they're killing it as we speak and they almost exclusively represent the interests of the private insurance companies who want to continue to jack up our rates (private insurance premiums have gone up 119% in the last ten years).

So, how are they winning? Because the Democrats brought a scalpel to a gun fight. The Republicans have attacked and attacked and attacked. Meanwhile, what has been the Democratic response? They're reaching out in a spirit of bipartisanship. Why?


Someone says they're going to bite your head off and will almost all vote against you, what is your purpose in continuing to reach out to them? They say they will under no circumstances vote for real health care reform with a public option, which you have said many times before is essential. They are in essence saying the only way they would vote for your bill is if they were positive it sucked. So, why do the Democrats continue to help the Republicans in killing this thing?


It is the unbearable weakness of Democratic being. They cannot find it in their hearts to strongly argue for their own position. To be fair, in this case, the weakness is mainly Obama's. The White House has clearly indicated this weekend that they have already given up on the public option -- and they're still begging the Republicans to work with them. Frankly, it's pathetic.


This continual and monumental weakness has a price. When the other side makes its case and you don't -- you lose. The Republicans never hesitate to make their case, even if they have to lie, cheat and scaremonger to do it. While the Democrats are scared of their own shadow. Obama is playing patty-cakes out there in his town halls. When is the last time he threw a real punch?


Grassley says Obama wants to kill your grandmother. And what's the price for this hideous slander? Obama promises he'll continue to reach out to him. Why? Are you looking for advice on how to kill grandma? The guy just spit in your face. What are you going to do about it?

We're losing the debate! It's because our leaders refuse to make the case. The other side might be vicious liars, but at least they have some lions who are willing to fight. Who do we have? Obama and his team of weaklings?

Now, I see why they didn't ask Howard Dean to be part of this administration. It's because he doesn't fit in. He's a fighter. He believes in real health care reform and is willing to fight for it. Just compare Dean's appearances on television and Sebelius's. It's a joke. When is the last time you saw her make a forceful and convincing case for the public option, or for that matter any part of the reform proposal?

It looks like they didn't ask Dean on board because they never believed they were going to do the public option in the first place. They didn't want a guy in there who was a believer. They got bucklers because they wanted bucklers.

A friend of mine just asked me why we don't hold this issue up for a vote with the public. I said we did; it was called the 2008 election. We gave the Democrats the White House, an overwhelming majority in the House and a filibuster-proof Senate. How much clearer did we have to be?

The problem is that the party we voted for isn't the party we got. At some point there has to be a price for not ever delivering on your promises, and worse yet, not really trying very hard. If Obama continues to bring the weak sauce, there has to come a point when we begin to wonder why we elected him as well.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/the-unbearable-weakness-o_b_261651.html
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 05:56 AM
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1. Weak, or bought?
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 10:38 AM
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5. Please. Bought and paid for. With your blood and my blood.
When, oh when we will get it through out thick-fucking-heads that Congress is not our friend. As long as bribery is institutionalized and an accepted form of behavior on Capitol Hill, Congress will continue to serve those that provide the bribes. It's called collaboration and collusion.

"Managed healthcare" went from being a non-existent entity to a major force in American power and politics in 30 years. The healthcare insurance industry was specifically created as a profit-making vehicle by rich, power persons so they could become even richer and more powerful. Through the protection of the blasphemous American corporate infrastructure, for-profit healthcare has become the one of the horsemen of the American apocalypse.
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 06:09 AM
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2. right on target
the "Democrats are scared of their own shadow". Applies to the WH as well as congress. How does "the public option is only a small part of the bill" qualify as a strong promotion for reform. Sounds more like an apology that it was ever included. We are completely bungling this whole effort.

Secret strategy is what I heard yesterday - do not allow the public option to become the target issue. So . . . how's that working so far. Headlines every talk show - every channel.
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Political Tiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 09:44 AM
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3. What's insanity is trusting a Rasmussen poll! n/t
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 09:49 AM
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4. Great read. K&R.
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 10:44 AM
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6. Unfortunately I have to agree..
It has been a long time since the Democrats have been in control. The White House, both houses in Congress. The Republicans are in the minority. They outdo themselves bashing Obama and Democrats. But they still want to play nice? Why? WHY????

Yes, I agree, it is PATHETIC.

You get the majority. A splendid opportunity to pass needed legislation.

Instead of humbling himself to Republicans who won't vote with him anyway, he should have instead spent time convincing Blue Dogs to come on board with the plan.

But no...we have to play nice with Republicans, WE have to be "bipartisan" no matter how much they smear, how much racism they use...

I am so disgusted right now.

Pussies...
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 07:05 PM
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7. what's sad is this admin doesn't even have a battle plan
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nightgaunt Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 10:06 PM
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8. The Obama administration is our friend why help the enemy?
The Republicans do, the Democrats facilitate. For the two-headed monster that seems to work. To bad we get the on-fire offal from it as payment for our support. I get the impression that we aren't privy to all the goings on as to what the endotruth is. The exotruth does not add up. Obama acts like a smoke screen, just like Clinton before him, to continue the Continuity in Shadow Gov't (COSG) that is going on at least since 1980. It seems to be directed at taking down the republic piece by piece from the inside while the bulk of the blood and treasure goes to mega-corporations and the global external empire in the making.

Did we actually have an election that mattered? Or was it two candidates from the same meta-party that is cryptic and full of smoke and mirrors to keep us occupied while the quiet destruction of our secular republic continues by other means for the same reason? Ignore the window dressing of the market candidate now president, look coldly and dispassionately at what he is doing and then work out why. Once that is done his actions will make more sense.

Until people stop falling in love with a candidate manufactured to gain our consent, we will continue to be lost as a people in a floundering republic on its way to a fascist dictatorship.

The few real liberals still left in the Democratic party are mostly isolated and have little power to make more than small changes and are frozen out. They haven't been purged yet as the Republican party has been over the past 30 years. It will happen as long as they still play us at democracy.

William Greider's article in the Nation is telling on how if things aren't done in a different way the Fed will get more power, without accountability we need from it, and we will get 40-50 mega-lenders that will be propped up by the Fed and our tax money never to be allowed to fail and will get billions without any repercussions as is done in a sane world.
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