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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 09:05 AM
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I can't disagree that it is "uniquely American" to derive profit from illness and disease
We came up with a healthcare system based on the INSURANCE industry whose own well-being is based upon NOT providing its core product. Our individual welfare is based on private corporations that thrive and whose profit curve spirals upward with every rescission, every denial of treatment,and every pre-existing condition left to expand and kill. And people rally to protect this insane business model that the rest of the world rejects out of hand. Now that's some American smarts at work!

Don't take that as compliment.

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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 09:27 AM
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1. Two things that shouldn't be profit-driven: medicine and education. nt
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 09:35 AM
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3. And prisons.
And police. And fire departments. And air traffic control.
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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 12:48 PM
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4. You're right--I left that out. Okay, THREE things that should never be profit-based. nt
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 09:31 AM
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2. Hospitals and doctors need to stop getting fee for service deals
Edited on Tue Aug-18-09 09:31 AM by stray cat
and that includes Medicare - Medicare is for profit just not profit for governement or taxpayers in terms of paying doctors and hospitals for fraudulant or unnecessary treatments.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 01:27 PM
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5. knr - Look what the British and Canadians are saying about their citizens...
that every person has a right to health care.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6333925&mesg_id=6333925

"...Indeed, Canadians today still strongly support the core values on which our system is premised – equality, compassion and solidarity. In fact, our Medicare system is now tied to our understanding of citizenship. More than just a social program, Medicare to us represents a birthright and an identifying mark of “Canadian-ness”. It is, we believe, the clearest reflection of who we are and what we value."


"...Millions of people are grateful for the care they have received from the NHS – including my own family. One of the wonderful things about living in this country is that the moment you’re injured or fall ill – no matter who you are, where you are from, or how much money you’ve got – you know that the NHS will look after you."





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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 06:15 PM
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6. "No matter who you are, where you are from, or how much money you've got"
you know that the NHS will look after you."

Imagine if every single American had that same security underpinning their lives. Unfortunately, we can only imagine it - Doesn't fit our for profit model where disaster to many for the profit of a few is supported by "our" government.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 06:37 PM
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7. Very sad that so many are fighting to protect the profits of insurance
companies.

And from the Canadian Union...

"...core values on which our system is premised – equality, compassion and solidarity..."



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iconocrastic Donating Member (627 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 08:57 PM
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11. This is a false flag. The insurance companies already cut deals, they're not opposing the bill
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 06:38 PM
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8. Why is this so hard to believe?....
We have war industries that start and stop wars for profits and their perps build mansions with the taxpayers money even after they are revealed for the murdering bastards they are.
Very few people in this country know shit about all of this. They are overstimulated with all manner distractions, they don't read and write and live in a world of images feed to them by perception managers who are a part of the war based corporate monster.

These images are used to mold a false sense of reality based on simplistic conventional wisdoms about the history of this country and its role in the world today (read: beckon of democracy). Just yesterday I nearly vomited when, in passing, saw this sports announcer talking about some tribute or another to our troops "defending democracy". He was probably in his 20's healthy looking.
I thought: Why in the fuck aren't you over there big-boy.
But the reality is this fuck-head calls the shots, while I just post something on a website that will only be read by a few people.
:puke:
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 06:47 PM
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10. It isn't hard to believe because many Americans live in a self-imposed bubble
where they scream "We're Number One!" to each other all day long.

They mourn for the loss of "their America" which resembles nothing so much as Dickensian England, with poor farms, work houses, reliance on private charity, social Darwinism and a virulent class structure (people knew their place).

The people screaming "We're Number One!" and "America has the best healthcare in the world" don't realize that, far from being a leader, we have been LAPPED by the rest of the world.

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DrToast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 06:41 PM
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9. That's not uniquely American. Lots of countries have private insurance
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iconocrastic Donating Member (627 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 09:02 PM
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12. I like America. There's no reason to slam the country. What is the sense of doing so?
If you don't like America - do something to improve it.

Or if that's too difficult to do, find a place to live where you like and admire the people.
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