THEY'RE AGAINST CO-OPS, TOO....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6335544&mesg_id=6335544

Conrad On Whether His Co-Op Proposal Will Bring Down Costs Of Health Care: ‘Uhhh, No’

Just slow the increase.

That is what Kent Conrad is claiming the co-ops would do.

it absolutely will bring down the costs.

That's part of the whole point of this drill.

http://letters.salon.com/opinion/feature/2009/08/12/reich/view/index4.html?show=all


Letter to Salon discussing an op-ed by Robert Reich

But not to individuals.

This will be a massive undertaking, and it will cost. That's why so many people are balking at doing anything.

My first choice would be the UK system.

My second choice would be the Canadian system.

My third choice would be a good public option (available to all employers; pays doctors at Medicare rates.)

My fourth choice would be a lousy public option (only available to employers with under 25 employees; pays doctors much more than Medicare.)



3 & 4 would probably cause private insurance premiums to increase more slowly, but not actually cause private insurance premiums to be less than they are today.

and his charts and his dissertations. I watched him on the senate floor many times during the Bush years howling at the moon and he NEVER stopped one single thing Bush wanted his republicans to do. Get on the fucking team asshole.

down as much as possible.

fearful profit killing public option....they'll do anything including kill, to kill a public option.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6330945&mesg_id=6330945

RNC Won't Support Co-Ops Either


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6332113

Insurance lobbyists oppose co-ops also.

public option, they said no, we said ok how about co-ops of course they are going to say no. We are giving them any and everything they want or don't want in this case.Why should they concede anything?:banghead:

and making insurance mandatory for their "responsibility culture" bullshit without really doing anything on access or affordability.

You can't tell me you are negotiating but aren't giving up anything. When we make a concession to the Republicans what is it that they give us? There are zero votes and they couldn't get us more than five even if we let them write the bill. That's worthless. How in God's name can they go on TV in front of the American people and whine about bi-partisanship but cannot even describe anything that they could get on board with.

Why no one asks them what kind of healthcare bill could get wide Republican support, what could get half, what could get a fourth? They need to be accountable for having no answer on that by not having a voice until they are honest brokers.

Yesterday on CNN a republican talking head was asked point blank if the public option was removed would republicans support a health care reform bill? She hemmed and hawed and even when pressed would not say they would support any bill. This is the same thing they did with the stimulus bill...they carried on and made various demands, some of which were implemented in the bill, then not one of them voted for it anyway.

Democrats need to concentrate on crafting a decent bill then work on getting their members in line and vote it through regardless of republicans. Republicans are proving to be nothing more than whining obstructionists who value party politics over the American people. They had a chance to be part of this but choose not to be involved in any meaningful way so its time to move on without them.

just do this thing!

Bipartisanship will get them nowhere
Here was my post:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8595157

with a sliding scale of premiums based on the ability to pay . . . let insurance companies offer supplemental coverage to those who want it, and "golden" policies to those who can afford them . . . inaugurate a national energy conservation and weatherization program (or some other program addressing a critical national problem), and offer job re-training in those fields to insurance company employees who lose their jobs in the transition . . . thus killing the proverbial two birds (healthcare and energy conservation) with one stone . . . and making the nation a better place to live for everyone . . .