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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 12:06 PM
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Obama didn't take their guns as feared, so now we have an armed resistance to health care reform
Edited on Tue Aug-18-09 12:49 PM by wndycty
Cross posted at: http://blog.windycitywatch.com/2009/08/obama-didnt-take-their-guns-as-promised.html

Tuesday, August 18, 2009

Obama didn't take their guns as promised by conservative media, so now we have an armed resistance to health care reform

"We will forcefully resist people imposing their will on us through the strength of the majority with a vote," said “Chris” the man seen sporting a hand gun and an AR-15 rifle in Phoenix, AZ as folks gathered to protest for or against health care reform as they waited on President Barack Obama who was in town to address the Veterans of Foreign Wars convention. “Chris” was only one of a dozen people who were armed according to Talking Points Memo.

Last week William Kostric showed up to protest outside of a health care town hall meeting Obama was holding in Portsmouth, NH, was photographed with a gun strapped to his leg and held a sign that read “It is time to water the tree of liberty” which many people believe to be a reference to Thomas Jefferson’s quote "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." (Windy City Watch 8.12.09).

These are not common and responsible gun owners exercising their Second Amendment rights, but political terrorists acting in a provocative manner in an effort to intimidate some and to taunt local and federal law enforcement officials. This is armed resistance in search of a cause.

Conservative media figures such as Glenn Beck, Ann Coulter, Mike Gallagher, and G. Gordon Liddy have been stoking fears of some gun owners by warning that President Obama was going to take their guns away (Media Matters 4.09.09). There have been a number of reports of people buying up as many guns as possible and stockpiling loads of ammunition as a result of this fear mongering.

Despite these warnings Obama has not taken their guns, as a matter of fact he recently signed a bill that would allow guns in national parks so it is safe to say he has expanded the rights of gun owners.

So what do you do if you have been worked into a frenzy about President Obama taking your guns and he didn’t do it? What do you do if you have prepared for an armed resistance by hoarding guns and ammo but there is no gun grab to resist?

You make up a reason, an excuse to take up arms and take to the streets. You target health care!

Only in America can an attempt by the President and Congress to make sure that EVERY CITIZEN is given access to affordable health care be met with armed resistance.

Let’s look at the quote from “Chris” again "We will forcefully resist people imposing their will on us through the strength of the majority with a vote."

Say what? These folks “forcefully resist” change that an overwhelming majority of Americans voted for in November of 2008?

Kudos to local authorities, the Secret Service, FBI and ATF in showing restraint in dealing with these kooks. not escalating any kind of confrontation with them, and not giving Second Amendment advocates any red meat to complain about, but enough is enough. If not addressed immediately this will only get worse.

Last week it was one guy with a gun, yesterday it was 12, who knows how many will show next time. President Obama has the best security of anyone in the world, but I fear further tolerance of these provocative acts will eventually lead to a violent confrontation between these political terrorists and those of us who have peacefully exercised our “strength of the majority with a vote."
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 12:08 PM
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1. Never pays to placate thugs. nt
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 02:58 PM
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22. And it also never makes sense to elevate nutters to a national stage like the whoring Matthews does
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 12:09 PM
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2. The gun nuts will forcefully oppose majority rule.
These are the people I want carrying lethal weapons. Someone should explain to these assholes that there's more to the Constitution than their precious 2nd Amendment.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 12:30 PM
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7. They're too ignorant to care about the rest. nt
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Better Today Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 02:40 PM
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20. I am just a bit over 5 ft, weigh 100#s on my fat days, live in a the reddest of redneckedness,
and I speak my mind freely and loudly (been beaten up no less than three times, nearly run over twice). I assure you that I am a concealed weapon carrier (licensed of course) and not a gun nut. The only diff between those on TV and me, is that I don't wear mine to be seen, it is concealed.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 09:12 PM
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27. I would hope that the other diff between you and them is that
you don't think majority elections are some kind of threat to your freedoms.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 12:10 PM
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3. Boys and their toys.
If they scare you, they win.
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OneTenthofOnePercent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 12:16 PM
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4. Oh, and girls can't have toys too?
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 12:34 PM
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8. that wouldn't rhyme. n/t
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OneTenthofOnePercent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 05:49 PM
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24. Girls... Toys... Man, I set you for a good reply and you blew it. lol.
Edited on Tue Aug-18-09 05:49 PM by OneTenthofOnePercent
You're killin' me Smalls.

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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 05:57 PM
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26. I went there in my mind.
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safeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 12:19 PM
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5. Thinking about writing my congress person
and asking to make carrying a loaded weapon within 500 yards of the POTUS a federal crime and a terrorist act.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 12:29 PM
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6. The assholes are daring him to take their guns.
They think they're such brave little soldiers for limpbaugh when they don't even know the meaning of the word.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 12:40 PM
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9. They want to fulfill their paranoid fantasies.
If they had a chainsaw in their shed, they'd poison their own trees just for an excuse to use it.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 01:32 PM
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16. Some DUers think that Beck and Armey are working for the Brady campaign
that Brady has asked Beck to get his minions to shoot someone so that Obama can get all the guns.

I don't see how they can get any more paranoid than they already are.
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 12:42 PM
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10. The Supreme Court invited this behavior.
Overturning the DC gun ban emboldened these nut cases. I hope the SCOTUS 5 are prepared to shoulder a good part of the responsibility if something really bad happens.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 12:49 PM
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11. Wow this keeps getting unreccomended. . .LOL
:kick:
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 12:51 PM
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12. The gun toters are shootin' ya down! nt
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 12:56 PM
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13. LOL. . .
:kick:
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 01:30 PM
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15. yes, they're better at confronting other Dems than the real threats.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 01:29 PM
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14. Some Dems should start exercising their 2A rights in the halls of Fox News
Edited on Tue Aug-18-09 01:33 PM by Doctor_J
and around Glen Beck's yard, as well as that of O'Reilly, Boortz, Weiner, Medved, and all of the other American terrorists.
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Cass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 01:38 PM
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17. I think restricting guns at Presidential events is a good idea.
To be honest, I am pretty surprised it has not been done already, given our history of assassinations and attempted assassinations. I have no problems with gun ownership but some regulation is necessary imo with respect to background checks, the ban of certain ammunition and weapons, and the restriction on where they can be carried.

Only in America can an attempt by the President and Congress to make sure that EVERY CITIZEN is given access to affordable health care be met with armed resistance.

Isn't that a kicker - that something that can benefit so many people is met with such hostility.

Great article.

K&R

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billh58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 01:46 PM
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18. K&R
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Better Today Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 02:35 PM
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19. So long as they are outside the designated perimeter, and it's done legally,
I guess I don't see a problem. It isn't like they are anywhere near the president. I agree with the idea that they are just trying to dare someone to disarm them, thereby getting to change the conversation (MSM-wise anyway) from healthcare to gun-rights. I applaud the Secret Service, the police, and the Obama administration for not making this a big deal when nothing illegal has taken place or is being threatened by these individuals.

That being said, I'm concerned that a gun will be taken from a law abiding gun owner in these crowds and used by a nutjob against anyone else, including the gun owner who may get shot trying to keep ahold of his gun.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 02:44 PM
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21. yeah
:crazy:
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Better Today Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 02:58 PM
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23. So you want "something" done about it, that way instead of the gun carriers
being displayed as potentially out of control, it will turn into a gun rights discussion that will drown out healthcare?

I could see being upset if the president were actually in any danger, but he isn't, at least not from these goaders.
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Les Streeter Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 05:51 PM
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25. So, if anybody is part of the "armed resistance".....they can be
shot.

Simple practical answer to people who have no brains, and only their guns.

Justified shooting, as soon as they raise their weapon.
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