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Progressivism Donating Member (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 12:24 PM
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About the 1980 Presidential Election, have you seen these kinds of opinions ?
I have read many opinions that espouse the view that hostages in Iran were held for hundreds of days because the Iranians captors were not terrified of Carter, and that the hostages were released because they were terrified of Reagan.

Is that true ? What do you think about the people that have that opinion ? What other conservative opinions you've seen that you'd like to share ?
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 12:27 PM
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1. A bit of history you will appreciate...
The release of the captives after Reagan's election was engineered, and it was engineered specifically to make Carter look bad and Reagan look like the manly Republican cowboy who took care of business.
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smoochpooch Donating Member (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 02:44 PM
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20. +1
They wanted to embarrass Carter.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 12:27 PM
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2. "What other conservative opinions you've seen that you'd like to share ?"
You'll find the "conservative" opinons here as well as the liberal ones.

You won't see the apeshit far to the right circus that the Republicans call "conservative".
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Tony_FLADEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 12:28 PM
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3. Watch this link regarding the 1980 election hostage crisis
This is from 1988

www.youtube.com/watch?v=7r2B8E2ybvs
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 12:28 PM
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4. I believe the truth.
Iran-Contra.
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 12:28 PM
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5. Bush Sr made a back alley deal with the Iranians
Edited on Tue Aug-18-09 12:34 PM by Soylent Brice
asked them not to release the hostages, and to deal with them once they got elected. they would scratch their backs, if the Iranians scratched theirs. by not releasing the hostages to Carter it made him look weak, giving them even more ammo in the GE. Iranians got weapons.

hold please while i search through links.

edit for Jr/Sr fuck up

edit again to add link: http://www.coldtype.net/Assets.06/Niman.06/Niman.10.06.pdf\\

start here. do more research as well.
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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 12:56 PM
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15. You are exactly right
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Soylent Brice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 03:41 PM
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24. WOOT!
:toast:

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 12:29 PM
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6. And what has YOUR research shown you about that? Have you ever READ the IranContra report
and looked into any of its outstanding matters?

Would LOVE to hear what opinion you've formed.
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 12:30 PM
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7. I think that opinion's pretty stupid on its face.
It defies common sense to think that the hostages were released immediately upon Reagan taking office simply because Iranians were frightened of the big, scary Reagan. It's absurd.

A more likely scenario would be a deal with the Iranians to hold the hostages until Reagan takes office, to bring down Jimmy Carter. Of course, the arms-for-hostages deal followed not long after.
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TxRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 12:32 PM
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8. From what I understand...
Edited on Tue Aug-18-09 12:33 PM by TxRider
The hostages were already en route back to the U.S. as Carter left office and Reagan was sworn in.

So Carter did the deal, got them back, but just in his last days in office.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 12:39 PM
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10. Could be...but one thing that Reagan cashed in on was the fall of the Soviet Union.
From pretty intimate knowlege and studies (and you don't even need to study that hard...just ask a Russian...): The USSR was already on it's way out the door. Reagan had nothing to do with it. The USSR had defeated the USSR.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 01:41 PM
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16. Yep - why would Iranians 'fear' Reagan when the region's main oil mole was his VP?
Care to share your view?
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 12:37 PM
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9. Reagan made a deal behind the scenes for it to go down that way...

It had nothing to do with "fear" of Reagan.
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 12:51 PM
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11. People who like Raygun?
Baaaaaaa....
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 12:51 PM
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12. Republican dirty trick -- one of many.
The Republicans made the hostages suffer to further their political goals.

Pretty despicable and Un-American, but par for the course for Republicans, then and now.
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juno jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 12:52 PM
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13. I have two words for you:
Edited on Tue Aug-18-09 12:55 PM by juno jones
Safari Club ...Google iz yer friend!

Terrified of Reagan! :rofl:

No, bribed by Bush, more like.

Welcome to DU and here's my opinion of people who cling to their illiterate so-called 'conservative' opinions based on propaganda and the warm, fuzzy feeling of having perpetual swollen dickitude during St Ronnie's Reign:
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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 12:55 PM
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14. Weapons for hostages was all that was about.
And then the republicans spin spin spin.
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Tsar_Bomba Donating Member (194 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 01:41 PM
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17. Never underestimate the
ability of the conservative to take credit for something that appears patriotic. The way they worship their leaders and their symbols, it's fascist pure and simple. Conservatives created a fictional history of Reagan, Poppy Bush, Churchill, Margret Thacher, Oliver North, even John Wayne. Then they have the balls to mention Che Guevara as a lefty hero.
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 02:29 PM
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18. How about
Carter wouldn't trade weapons for them, Reagan did...
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 02:41 PM
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19. The infamous "October Suprise".
Zbigniew Brzezinski relates that representatives of the Iranian govt & the Carter admin had been deep negotiations to release the hostages for months. It was an obvious problem for Carter, but most people don't realize that the revolutionary govt of Iran didn't want them either.

The two sides were working out an agreement to free the hostages in return for the US returning the frozen Iranian assets. Then one October morning in 1980, the Iranians didn't show for a scheduled meeting, or any thereafter. No protests from them, no demands, no explanations at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_surprise_conspiracy_theory
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 02:56 PM
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21. WTF? The trolls are infesting this place today
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 03:05 PM
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22. Most here will tell you that Reagan bribed them to keep the hostages
I don't take that to be gospel but I will say that after Iran-Contra, it's not a difficult theory to believe. On the other hand, while Reagan sold arms to Iran (funneled through Israel) he sold a lot more to Saddam Hussein and tipped the balance of that conflict far more in Hussein's favor. I'm not entirely convinced Carter would've done the same given his distaste for dictators like Saddam.

So if the Iranians did make such a deal they must have made a miscalculation regarding the US picking sides in the Iran-Iraq conflict. It is possible that they figured Reagan's strong anti-communist ideology would prevent him from getting involved in favor of Saddam.
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handmade34 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 03:09 PM
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23. rather not deal in opinions, just the facts ma'm
and the fact is ...there is much manipulation of the economy and international dealings in order to create 'situations'
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