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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 02:20 PM
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We're Going to Get a Center-Right Healthcare Bill from a Center-Right Administration
I think people who thought the Obama administration would perform in a center-left fashion are quickly realizing that they were expecting a little too much and maybe took the Change movement a little too seriously. The mixed messages from the White House are not an accident. They really are going back and forth in their support of a public option...caving to the fake protesters and GOP. As of right now, the Obama admin looks like a toothless tiger with no fight whatsoever. They're coming out saying that Obama supports a public option just so the base won't explode and riot...but we can't be duped into thinking it's that simple. The WH is telling different groups different things. Likely saying on camera they support a Public option, and saying something else behind closed doors. Many on DU have pointed out that we began this discussion from the wrong vantage point. We SHOULD have started out supporting single-payer and compromised to a strong public option. Not starting out with a strong public option and being talked down to a weak public option...or NO public option. The White House strategy was fucked from go and now they're backed into a corner. They could have handled this situation much much better than they have. I still support Obama, no one should think otherwise. But I'm beginning to see that major reform was never really on the table (and why should we think it was looking at all of the center-right/Blue Dog-lite Dems in Obama's administration). If so, they wouldn't have taken options OFF the table at the beginning like Single-Payer.

Now Obama's between a rock and a hard place. It's getting closer and closer to the possibility that healthcare reform will either be dropped and look like a major failure against the Obama administration...or we'll get something so weak it won't make much of a dent in the larger scheme of things. Both are wins for the Republicans.
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 02:31 PM
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1. My money is still on Obama.
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phleshdef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 02:32 PM
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2. Given the track record, Obama has proven to be a good bet.
I normally don't laugh in people's faces, but I think I'll have to once this BS is over.
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daa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 02:41 PM
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4. Still hoping for change huh?
It was a catchy slogan.
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phleshdef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 02:43 PM
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5. No, I stopped hoping as soon as I saw plenty of it happening.
How soon we forget where we were just a year ago...
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Baltoman991 Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 02:46 PM
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7. Nah, no more
hoping from me. I've seen lots of change in the past 7 months. To bad the haters still want to push the spew that everything is still the same.
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phleshdef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 02:58 PM
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12. No joke, out standing in the world has been restored, the economy is stable again...
...and thats just scratching the surface.
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daa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 02:59 PM
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13. Well there is lots of change
Uh, more troops for northern Iraq, lots more troops for Afghanistan, more bailouts for the rich and for you maybe health insurance reform.
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Baltoman991 Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 03:04 PM
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15. Bullshit
The war in Iraq will end when he said it would end. The war is Afghanistan will continue like he said it would continue. The bailout was Bush's baby. And there is no healthcare bill yet.

So please, if you're going to slam, slam with factual information instead of made up bullshit.
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daa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 08:48 AM
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16. Bullshit to you
Look, you can try to keep blaming Bush for the 2 trillion deficits and wars and bailouts but you are wrong and uninformed, no surprise. Cash for clunkers = bullshit. I was already responsible and bought Honda that get more than 18 MPG so I can't get a government subsidy to buy a new care so I have to keep driving a 13 year old car. Yeah, my pills still cost a zillion a month too. But all you can say is bullshit. Bush couldn't blame Clinton for the Bush recession and it won;t work for Obama either. 2 trillion deficits and nothing to show for it??????????????????
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kjackson227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 02:35 PM
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3. Mine too, and I'm through listening to the talking heads, and those in President Obama's
administration who have a tendency to have the open-mouth-insert-foot problems. I'll believe public option is off the table when I hear it from HIS mouth.
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 02:45 PM
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6. No public option, no vote in 2010 or 2012.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 02:57 PM
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11. Wow, you set your standards low
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 02:54 PM
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8. I told you guys Obama was a Centrists.
Now Howard Dean is progressive and we have him to thank for supporting good canidates and progressive ideas.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 02:56 PM
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10. I don't think Howard Dean is progressive
He is the main cheerleader of this reform, as far as I can tell. Howard had great rhetoric, but he was always pretty centrist.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 02:55 PM
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9. But I bet it will have a shiny wrapper on it (ie, Public Option)
Hurray!!!! Jump for joy! The people won!
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-18-09 03:00 PM
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14. Obama's always been center right on most issues
Much like Clinton, he's a Rockefeller Republican (though no matter what he does, he'll still be called a Marxist).
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