I stood against PA town hall "protestors" to defend the Prez and PO

And right now I have to wonder, what was it for?

Do find the president turning his back on the public option, which for me (and so many) is not just a :sliver" in the present reform, but the very HEART of it?

Yes I went to one of Arlen's town halls and counter-demonstrated against the "Americans for Prosperity" bus, pointed out the lies they were telling and the source of their funding.

I joined hundreds of others.

And now we have been let down, betrayed, tossed under the bus with the big bloody hand.

Insurance companies have won, thanks to Max Baucus, Kent Conrad, and yes, President Obama.

I'm really down about this. WTF should we do now,,,,"

Does the moron, sorry, "moran" even have a clue?

It sounds a lot like fauxrage to me, how a dweeb pretending to be an uber-liberal activist might write.

:shrug:

"thrown under the bus"

:rofl:

Was beyond your ken.

You might check out this link:

http://www.joinpatientsfirst.com/

This was the bus that was at Sen. Specter's event last week in State College.

I was there with a couple of thousand other people.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2009/08/13/2009-08-13_dose_of_humor_fails_to_tranquilize_health_hecklers.html

Moran.

when this is all said and done.

i'm not as confident as i once was.

is a bit disingenuous considering a bill hasn't been signed. There's miles to go and I'm not giving up, unlike freddie.

Has nothing to do with the future.

It is about things as they stand right now.

I sure as hell don't.

This is about getting shit done. Park your "feeling" at the door, with your play-doh and your pixie stix.

I didn't know we could express thoughts only after the fact.

Howard Dean seems very upbeat, for example.

Maybe I should turn off the TV a bit more.

Sometimes it is good to step away from the media froth even the good old DU for a day, just to get some semblance of reality back. You might feel the same way, but it will not be responding to the craziness of the the news, and internut, and tea baggers etc.

The bills are not even out of committee yet..no one knows for sure what will be in them or out of them till after the senate and house come together.

For sure, the republicans are not going to vote one vote for us. If we get one or two, I would be highly surprised.

But we are getting this health care act passed.

You can take that one to the bank.

Of any kind, unless they agree with certain people's views.

Jeez.

:P

I've told people a million times not to fall for all the drama!!111!!

And for you to even mention hyperbole, well, that's just, just...



I need to lie down now.

I am proud that you are fighting for those who will soon join you.
I have hope that Our President will stand for our best interests,and he will stand for the public option.

threw you under the bus for what bill?

For whatever reason, I don't know.

nt

This has been a wake up call for the WH ~ maybe now they'll all go back to the drawing board and get it right.

Check out what Anthony Weiner is saying (see the Hardball replay at 7 Eastern) ~ he makes a great case, and a single payer bill will be voted on in the House. We'll see.

Thanks...

Actively campaign against Obama in 2012? That happened to Jimmy Carter in 1980 and it resulted in weakening him and a Rethug win.
Do we stop doing anything since we have been thrown under the bus? If there is no way to get what we want why bother at all? Why even post on DU anymore, vote anymore, etc.
Do we keep fighting hard to try and get what we want, pressure Congress (especially those in the Senate), keep showing up at town halls (where we seem to be showing up more and more in the last few days), and keep pressuring Obama?
I think I will do the last thing although I feel like giving up myself lately.

My congress-creature is a GOP POS, unfortunately.

Specter said he supported the public option at the SC meeting last week.

He was unambiguous abut it, it seemed to me.

I have no plans to "actively campaign against Obama," whatever that means.

I like him. But I am disappointed in more than a few of his policies, especially this one as it has played out since the weekend.

Pardon my gloom and despair.

ugliness started. DU is like a family and we are all working pretty hard out there.

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What sort of person are you anyway?

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...and didn't see anything unusual.

Fred's simple Simon BS and negativity are appalling. In fact they STINK. He must have the old handbook.

But if it has to me about me, instead of the issue, I guess that is up to you guys.

I am not going to waste DU space by reposting something anyone with a star can look up.

I just expressed my honest feelings of disgust at the present situation.

You act like some sort of self-appointed inquisitor or something.

Is this what you do all the time?

But you want me to analyze all 270+ of his posts? Jesus Gawd.

Are you some sort of cop or something?

I thought personal attacks were against the forum rules.

(I do like the Hello Kitty thingie though, I have to admit.)

:thumbsup:

How you doin', by the way, my friend.

Did I report to you that we welcomed another little one to the a_m family last April. He's a cutey. Must send you pics.

Do you realize you're engaging in prophetic doom-saying and scaring yourself into howling woe-is-me, we've already lost?

That's okay if it's done consciously so you can get a good laugh at yourself - eventually.

Just don't expect too many others to take your forecasts seriously.

I think the president backed up on the public option this past weekend.

Do you disagree with this analysis?

Read your own OP and see if you can detect the implications that you KNOW things that haven't happened yet.

Find a link that proves that Obama has definitely betrayed us by abandoning the public option as you implied in your writ.

Obama: "the public option, whether we have it or don't have it" ..it's "just a sliver"; Gibbs the president "preferes" a public option..etc are self-evident shifts from strong support (July 25 radio address) to today..

Here are clips from Rachel Maddow and Jon Stewart that comment on or contrast the various statements:


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/18/maddow-public-option-dyin_n_261811.html

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/politicsunseriously/2009/08/stewart-to-obama-sell-health-c.html

But you knew that, right?

Quote:

"And now we have been let down, betrayed, tossed under the bus with the big bloody hand.

Insurance companies have won, thanks to Max Baucus, Kent Conrad, and yes, President Obama.

I'm really down about this. WTF should we do now,,,,"

Face it, instead of being the debunker of fraudulent claims, your implied claims have been debunked.

Do you think the insurance companies are beating us?

I do, so far.

Time for leadership is long overdue.

We are now getting a measure of it from Dems in congress.

I have heard little that makes sense from the White House in the past several days, and nothing but defeatist nonsense from the Senate Dems whose "negotiations" have held us hostage for weeks on end.

Or do you think Baucus and Conrad are doing swell right now?

that I'm talking about your indirect claims to know the future in advance.

That's 3 strikes, Freddie. And now you're out.

But a game of "gotcha."

I get it now.

:eyes:

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29. I vote in PA, and will not support Specter

Not even in the general, unless he supports EFCA at the very least.

Some of us here have had our fill of the Rendell machine and its anti-democratic thuggery (which brought us that "wonderful" DINO dullard Casey).

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=8378757#8385184

That was months ago of course.

I still hate the Rendell machine, and still plan to vote for Joe Sestak in the primary.

But seeing Specter stand up to those assholes changed my opinion of him.

Up to this point, my main sense of Specter was based on Anita Hill and "I'm not a loyal Democrat"...

But at the town halls, he seemed--brave. And principled.

And he showed spine in the face of truly awful provocation.

So I found a new respect for the old guy, and found that yes, I could very easily vote for him the general election.

It was the town hall freaks who changed the game for me.

so not only did you get new-found respect for Specter but you didn't realize Obama's position on the public option 'til...today?

You can credit my "new found" respect a product of the polarizing tactics of the righties, plus Specter's own display of dignity and strength under fire.

As for Obama's shift, yes or no, it has been the political topic number 1 of the past several days.

It is not something I invented.

But from your reply, I suspect I am wasting my time responding to you.

Am I right?

And at that time you still believed Obama's position was he MUST have a public option in the bill he signs?

It was in the news.

A week ago.

In my town.

A few days earlier the Lebanon PA event with the screaming wingnuts received wide national airplay.

This motivated me to be sure to attend the other one, and we were stuck outside by the large crowd, arguing with the wingnuts from Americans for Prosperity.

What is your problem with that exactly?

I was just asking for your timeline. Nothing wrong with it.

Seems pretty inquisitional in here though, you gotta admit.

I see no proof to support your claims that you've been let down. Fuck this, you just want to jump on the bandwagon of senseless whingers than be my guest---but don't be surprised by some of the posts who don't take your crap lightly. The President has spent his days going from town hall to town hall standing by the PO and making countless public options. If you take issue with his Cabinet then fine---But the President, who is the final word I might add, has made his position and he hasn't strayed once. But your definitely quick to pass judgement on what he will do in future. God I'm happy it's not people like you who is president. I don't deal well with wishy-washy whiners.

Take a deep breath and take a chill pill.