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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 11:35 PM
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This is how Johnson enacted the Great Society.
"President Kennedy had employed several task forces composed of scholars and experts to craft New Frontier legislation and to deal with foreign affairs. The reliance on experts appealed to Johnson, in part because the task forces would work in secret and outside of the existing governmental bureaucracy and directly for the White House staff. Almost immediately after the Ann Arbor speech, 14 separate task forces began studying nearly all major aspects of United States society under the guidance of presidential assistants Bill Moyers and Richard N. Goodwin.

The average task force had nine members and generally was composed of governmental experts and academicians. Only one of the task forces on the 1965 legislative program addressed foreign affairs (foreign economic policy); the rest were charged with domestic policy (agriculture, anti-recession policy, civil rights, education, efficiency and economy, health, income maintenance policy, intergovernmental fiscal cooperation, natural resources, pollution of the environment, preservation of natural beauty, transportation, and urban problems).

After task force reports were submitted to the White House, Moyers began a second round of review. The recommendations were circulated among the agencies concerned and were evaluated by new committees composed mostly of government officials. Experts on relations with Congress were also drawn into the deliberations to get the best advice on persuading the Congress to pass the legislation. In late 1964 Johnson reviewed these initial Great Society proposals at his ranch with Moyers and Budget Director Kermit Gordon. Many of them were included in Johnson’s State of the Union address delivered on January 4, 1965.

The task-force approach, combined with Johnson's electoral victory in 1964 and his talents in obtaining congressional approval, were widely credited with the success of the legislation agenda in 1965. Critics later cited the task forces as a factor in a perceived elitist approach to Great Society programs. Also, because many of the initiatives did not originate from outside lobbying, some programs had no political constituencies that would support their continued funding."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_society#Ann_Arbor_speech

Reconciliation, my ass.




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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 11:41 PM
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1. here's how LBJ got stuff done:


and this:



Obama needs to get up close and personal using his 6'2" size to intimidate these weasel Republicans.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 11:45 PM
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3. I don't care if he uses blackmail and anthrax as long as it gets done.
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 04:50 AM
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17. blackmail doesn't work anymore.
Not with all the sex scandals with guys that refuse to resign (Sanford, Vitter,etc.)

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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 07:17 AM
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16. you mean he didn't just wish and hope that the Congress
might someday send him something to sign?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 11:43 PM
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2. And we've had single-payer ever since.
Blah, blah, blah.

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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 11:45 PM
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4. Yeah, what a shame.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 11:49 PM
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5. and if Obama and the Democrats had won by the margins that LBJ and the Democrats had in 1964
that comparison might be meaningful.

In 1965, LBJ (a) LBJ had just won election over an opponent who only received 38.5 percent of the vote and lost the electoral vote by a crushing 486/52 margin; (b) the Democrats had a 68/32 majority in the senate (and while there were conservative southern Democrats to contend with, there also were a lot more moderate northeastern repubs -- a nearly extinct species today); and (c) in the House, Democrats enjoyed a 295/140 majority (and, again, there were moderate repubs to offset the conservatives from the south). By comparison, Obama's victory, while comfortable, still was considerably narrower than LBJ's and his Senate and House majorities are much smaller (and lack the repub moderates as additional possible support). Moreover, LBJ had the wind at his back in 1965 because of JFK's assassination. Of course, LBJ couldn't maintain his momentum, largely because of the Vietnam War.

But thanks for playing.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 11:55 PM
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7. True, the Democrats are in such a weak position in Congress.
Maybe we should wait another 44 years.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 06:59 AM
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15. LOL, yah they sure want us to believe that.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 12:06 AM
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9. And before the southern strategy
and at a time when poverty really was malnourished kids in shacks who had never, ever seen a doctor.

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 11:49 PM
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6. Johnson isn't president, and times have changed.
I wish it was 'that easy'. It's not. For starters, the 24/7 news cycle doesn't help now.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-19-09 11:56 PM
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8. It's not easy but it's both doable and necessary.
The news cycle works both ways.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 12:10 AM
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10. So offer some suggestions. I'd be interested in knowing how you
think it's doable.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 12:16 AM
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11. Present the bill, written clearly and simply, redline the essentials, and call for a partyline vote.
And immediately slap down these assholes inside and outside of Congress with their ludicrous, distorted claims.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 12:29 AM
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12. Oh, that easy, huh.?
"Present the bill, written clearly and simply, redline the essentials..."

Seriously, did you miss the 1990s?

"and call for a partyline vote."

And if a handful of Democrats join the Repub filibuster and kill the bill, what next?

You seem to think a President is a dictator. No matter how you slice it, the legislation is going to be drafted in Congress.

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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 12:37 AM
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13. Yes, it is that easy.
But feel free to clip and paste 3,000 words in a grey box explaining why, after a $500,000,000 campaign and 8 years of Bush, it cannot be done and we should be happy with a shopping cart and a moonlighting, perky Progressive insurance agent giving us our options. After all, Flo is progressive.

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 01:27 AM
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14. You aren't even making sense. I'm shocked! nt
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