CNN, MSNBC, WaPo, WSJ and the rest of the media deliberately trying to sabotage health reform

Check out these two articles from CNN Money:



Here is the gist of this piece:



(Second article)



Here is the gist of the second article:



So two articles from CNN:

One claiming Obama can't get consensus around the public option (but we know the public overwhelmingly supports the public option). It also characterizes health care reform as "radical" and points out that 80% of Americans are happy with the status quo.

The other article states as definitive the BS claim that "Obamacare" will not include a public option and will result in Americans being screwed.

The media is working overtime to create the perception that with or without the public option, health care reform is a bad idea.

WaPo editorial:



Throw in distorted poll results to demonstrate that Obama is losing support:

MSNBC report distorts NBC/WSJ poll results

I have a Post here this morning about the CABLE stations at 7am that all were slanting the News ~ they were ALL FOX Lite at 7 am , prime time.

We'd be much better off if we had no talking heads, no "analysis" of polls, just raw data and streaming or recorded proceedings and public addresses.

What they're feeding us is crap, designed to mislead, to create ratings, and most importantly to preserve the status quo.

Rec'd.

Al Gore! We've come a long way!

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do on getting this altogether like this, PS.

It's like the election all over again..the same corporatemediawhores who gave us bush+cheney for 8 years and the War On Iraq.

You'd think at least all of DU would get it except of course for the ever present trolls.

Bankrupting the entire country with out of control insurance rate raises. Let them chew on that for a while

Edit to clarify... I am talking about the media

That is why they took single payer off the table. If they had left it on it would have helped shore up the public option. But they intended to bargain away the public option from the start.

Sorry if nobody told you. But that's what happened.

WTF you talking about?

:grr:

Only way to get 8-9 out of 10 "happy" is a system that employs single-payer....And last i checked US still rapes its citizens when going for checkups...so unless americans love rapes i find that story made up.

present insurance. The Media have some of the best plans out
there.

This has been one of the major fights all along. Them that
have fear their own plan might get sacrificed in the implementation.

its one big happy family..and our government leaders don't want to mess with any of their profits!

Dry powder? Chess?

Why not?

er...

And 3/4 of DU sucks it up and buys right into it.

That can't happen soon enough.

LOL!

We cant even get elected DEMS to admit media bias in favor of Conservatives & corporations-much less confront them over it in a forceful way. They will "reform" nothing as to media bias.

The "crazy", "left of the left" base has been BEGGING them to address media bias for years and years and years.


Is it still "blame the media" time- or is it "Blame the DEMS for ignoring (Or pretending to ignore?)the issue of media bias" time yet?

I fucking KNEW that the media would do this- so why should we pretend that elected DEMS have been blindsided?

At some point "it's the media's fault" isnt going to be an acceptable excuse anymore. Folks are going to say: "Sure, it is. I know, you know- now what are you going to DO about it?"

during his press conferences and most recently, calling out the media for focusing on on the protestors.

Democrats do call out the insurance companies. The fact is that the media controls the airwaves 24/7. A few elected officials trying to shout them down doesn't work. They have to be exposed by blogs and progressive groups. Media reform would be the best thing.

I was right- it's still "blame the media time"- as if we were all blind sided. As if no one saw this coming- LOL!

LOL! Let me guess- when it's time to get media reform- we can "blame the media" when DEMS wimp out on that too. "The media wouldnt let us say that! Bo-hoo-hoo." Yeah- right.

I reject the notion that it is all up to blogs to call out media and insurance companies.

How about: "Wolf, that article WAPO ran was a lie, so why are you repeating these lies? But I dont expect them or you to retract it- you are all are in bed with insurance."

How about: "Chris- The media is owned by Republicans- just like the insurance companies- and they help each other lie to the American people. Your BOSS is GOP all the way. Here are some examples of lies from your very own show..."

LOL! No one is ever going to say that to them- we just say it on blogs when it's time to make excuses.

A "Few" elected officials? How about ALL OF THEM? Who said anything about "few?"

Media controls the news 24/7? So which hours are DEMS banned from debate shows in these cycles? Which DEMS are publicaly demanding equal time? Which DEMS are being censored when they try to give examples of media bias to their faces? Which top DEMS have made any such charges at all, in any forum?

I still say that whatever it is that you think they are doing, it is obviously not enough.

I have yet to see a real line in the sand- I have yet to see a REAL effort to expose media bias. In fact, I still se the bias, as strong as ever.

Media bias is a problem- not counteracting it is another. It's only trotted out when it's time to make excuses. I see 2 problems, not one.

How about exposure? See, connecting the dots and spreading the word, in even the most limited circles, is better than expecting a handful of Democrats to fight the media single handedly with words.


And what happens when the five-minute segment ends?

In that case, whatever happens at the end of the 5 minute segment is constantly being counter-balanced.

I'm with you on expousre & connecting the dots-us online DEMS and grass-roots DEMS have been doing this for years and years and years and years. Big deal. Whose got our backs on this?

I need top name DEMS with media access on board. I need to see Obama, Rahm ,Reid , Pelosi- on down the line-say what you and I are willing to say about the media. Early and often- not after the fact as an excuse.

Who said anything abouta "handful" of DEMS? If it is really the reason why we always fail, then you would think ALL- not just a "handful" DEMS would be champing at the bit to stop this.

I'll say it again- "It's the media's fault" is nothing but a fall-back excuse for failure if it is not coupled with REAL efforts to combat said media bias.

At this rate, how do I know 100% that established/conservative DEMS dont count on the media to kill things for them? That would at least explain why they whistle past the graveyard when it comes to media bias.

Most of these cable shows extend invitations to their guests. Do you believe they're going to limit the invitation to only progressive Democrats?

You said in a previous post: "Which DEMS are publicaly demanding equal time?"

Remember the Fairness Doctrine is no longer in effect, and wouldn't apply to cable.

No cable TV shows ban Hillary, Reid, Rahm, Pelosi or Obama himself from their shows.

They would boot who-ever to get any of those top names on. In fact, they DO get on TV.

Why are you limiting this to only "progressive" Democrats- Rahm, the DLC, Blue Dogs, etc. should want to fight media bias too- right? I mean all of our failures are the fault of the media- right? Or are you indicating that only "progressive" DEMS have a problem with how the media presents issues?

You are getting waaarmer!!!!

And who says that politicians dont get their PR guys to break out the rolodex and get them booked on shows? I know that they do this all the time.

Top DEMS can get on those shows- and I've NEVER heard them say they cannot. In fact- I see them on all the time- every day- so I'm not sure what you are even talking about.

Lack of Fairness Doctrine keeps DEMS from saying over and over an over that they are not getting equal time on TV? Lack of Fairness Doctrine keeps them from going to friendly forums to expose bias? Lack of Fairness Doctrine keeps a DEM from saying "Wolf- your network is lying to help conservatives again- let me set you straight with the facts..." Fairness Doctrine keeps the DNC from posting examples of media bias or exposing media ownership on their website, for instance?

No sir.

Elected DEMS, not just obscure bloggers should be combating media bias, not just using it as an excuse.

"Or are you indicating that only "progressive" DEMS have a problem with how the media presents issues?"

Your questions seem to indicate that you believe every Democrat is out there fighting hard for real reform.

"I mean all of our failures are the fault of the media- right?"

Well, since we're going off on tangents, they certainly had a role in promoting the Iraq war.

I basically agree with you now that I see what you are saying.

I'm pointing out that the fact that DEMS (progressive or otherwise) do little or nothing to combat media bias- I see conservative DEMS and the DEM establishment (who promoted the Iraq war, for instance) basically working with the conservative media.

Maybe Rahm, Obama(?), the DLC, etc. approves of the state of the media, at least for certain issues.

Maybe instead of acting like these articles are the biggest obstacle, we should ask whether certain DEMS AGREE With or like how these articles are influencing the issue.

I stand by my positon- I'll not blame the media alone- I'll blame the media and the DEMS who stand by and say nothing about media bias.

Media bias alone is NOT an acceptable fall back excuse for me anymore.

The problem is the media is constantly lying and distorting. The volume is overwhelming. Take for example the mischaracterization of reconciliation, referring to it as the nuclear option, they do this 24/7. Elected Dems would have to spend a lot of time on TV trying to counter every distortion. We're lucky that there are at least three programs (Countdown, Rachel Maddow and Ed Schultz) countering the RW media noise. More progressive Democratic pundits installed on these shows would go a long way. I mean, we have Howard Fineman trying to convince people that insurance companies want to be regulated. Good grief.

if there were effective Democratic pundits, but they are useless.

So what is the problem of the DEM establishment?

Why dont they know what you and I see very clearly?

Maybe they do know, and they have other reasons for not giving their pundits the meme to go after media bias. What could those reasons be, I wonder?

Who says the Dem establishment doesn't know? What are you arguing?

Do you think that if they invite Evan Bayh on the show he's going to counter the media lies effectively?

Hell, he might join in. Like I said, a handful of Democrats cannot be expected to counter the MSM's 24/7 barrage of lies.

I actually agree with a lot of what you just said.

So when Bayh and the conservatives get their way, dont just blame the damn media- blame Bayh. Blame the DEM establishment that KNOWS about media bias, yet "joins in" or sits by and does nothing. That's the jist of my arguement here.

Again, there are more than a "handful" of DEMS with media access these days-they are on TV all the time- so I'm not sure why you keep saying that.

If the DEM establishment DOES know what you and I know, then it is very telling that they just sit on their hands, isnt it?

are doing a great job countering the lies.

Swing voters dont care what's on a blog somewhere- they get still get most of their news from the TV, TV websites or the papers.

You are right to expose it here at DU- but my problem is that I'm tired of it being an after-the-fact excuse.

We all know about the bias, and I'm tired of DEMS acting like they did not see it comming, and for the most part, letting it slide.