No matter how much difficulty some have accepting this.. we are getting a Health Care Law

"We are going to get this done..one way or another" President Obama.. 8/20/09 at 2:25 PM in response to a question from the audience about bi partisanship with the republicans.

There will be a PO whether you like it or not. We are getting this done.

There will be insurance reform that keep the corporates from using pre existing conditions to refuse insurance.. and no caps on how much insurance you need...THIS IS HUGELY IMPORTANT ALSO..because 80% of us are covered by private insurance. We are getting this done

Everyone is going to be covered whether you like it or not.. and it will be on a sliding scale tied to income on the PO and or waivers to any pay if you cannot afford it. We are getting this done.

President Obama is going to get this done. This was a pretty good forum.

This is the last chance that or single-payer will ever have. You can't put public option in in the future if it isn't in now.

n/t.

Health care reform was never an easy proposition. The push back was going to come from all sides.

Obama will score a huge victory for Americans by passing a bill with a public option.

This is what the President got elected to do. We won.. We are getting a health bill. Just try and take it away from us once it is in law. We are getting this done quicker than even I thought was possible. :fistbump:

After how many decades, we are finally going to get health care reform.. whew

Edit to add.. A Huge Thank You to all the Democrats who have sweated bullets through the decades and never gave up.. A Huge Thank YOu

the rest is trivial.

Just "something" is not enough. And getting a dramatically insufficient, or worse setback, bill passed and signed into law doesn't necessary serve the needs of the American people.

There's the hope that something can be passed now that contains no setbacks and a few small gains and try to build on that in the future. A while ago I wrote about how it doesn't work that way, and that when you settle for something that isn't very good in the short term with the hope that you can make it good later, that later never comes.

Well of course I should have known better than to make absolutist claims. Now, I used concrete examples of times when we were told to accept something dramatically insufficient now with the promise that it would be built on in the future, only to see twenty years and counting go by with zero political will to do anything - family medical leave is one concrete example.

However, I was appropriately reminded that social security came in pieces. When first passed it did not include the disabled and a whole range of other persons and that its full scope was added to social security over time. So its possible. But a couple things to remember about that.....

First, it was roughly 30 years, nearly a generation, before some of those desperately needed changes to social security were addressed - that's too long. When it comes to health care, we can't afford to wait 30 years for changes that we need right now - both for individual lives and for our economic sustainability.

Second, I was able to provide numerous examples of when it does not work that way. It is not the case that weak bills are always made better in the future, or that it can happen on within the timeframe that's needed. Sometimes its critical to fight when the fight is at your doorstep, and not try to put it off.

So.... the we will get this done at all costs rhetoric, while in someways exciting, is worrisome when it is combined with all the weak, capitulating nonsense coming from democrats, and when it is combined with the administration's own refusal to clearly define, point blank, what must be included in a health care reform bill that will be signed and not vetoed.

- Must cover everyone or veto
- Must ban denials based on preexisting conditions or veto
- Must ban dropped coverage based on medical need or veto
- Must cap consumer out-of-pocket expenses at x% or veto
- Must include a full public option, medicare equivalent, or veto

But no... instead the administration doesn't want to go one record saying anything so that it can claim its "delivered health care reform to America" no matter what piece of shit bill gets passed. That's a big concern.

Fat lot of good that did anything.

That's my point. The difference between committing to key elements and simply accepting "anything" so you can claim a political victory.

I was talking about the 1957 one that had the words "Civil Rights" in it but didn't actually do anything that mattered.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1957

Anyway, I'm with ya on this. :party:

n/t.

no public option means the status quo wins.

The House bill had the level up to 4 times the poverty level, but I'm not sure if that survived the latest Blue Dog tinkering. That might be lowered a bit.

They don't want ANY gains for the people.

The Democrats' plan would include sliding-scale subsidies for families making up to 400 percent of the federal poverty level to purchase health care through a government-run exchange that would offer both private and public options.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/health/jan-june09/housedembill_06-19.html


Some others take on the bill being proposed is helpful also to understand the complexities of it
http://www.racewire.org/archives/2009/08/racewire_on_a_quest_to_answer.html

The President spoke on this today at the Town Hall also about college students who fall off their parents insurance.

If you reach a place you cannot afford to pay anything at all for insurance that will be a provision for that also.

But everyone is going to be required to be covered

very much these days is because he doesn't want to put all the attention/focus on that part of the proposal. He wants everyone to focus in on the proposals in their ENTIRETY. By focusing on Public Option only, this gives the impression that this is all there is to the proposals and people are believing that Public Option IS the ONLY option. My words, not his- but this is what he meant.