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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 09:49 PM
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If you haven't read "Bait and Switch: How The "Public Option” Was Sold," you need to right here
Edited on Thu Aug-20-09 09:54 PM by John Q. Citizen
It's a great read with a lot of interesting facts and analysis.



http://pnhp.org/blog/2009/07/20/bait-and-switch-how-the-%e2%80%9cpublic-option%e2%80%9d-was-sold/

by Kip Sullivan

The people who brought us the “public option” began their campaign promising one thing but now promote something entirely different. To make matters worse, they have not told the public they have backpedalled. The campaign for the “public option” resembles the classic bait-and-switch scam: tell your customers you’ve got one thing for sale when in fact you’re selling something very different.

When the “public option” campaign began, its leaders promoted a huge “Medicare-like” program that would enroll about 130 million people. Such a program would dwarf even Medicare, which, with its 45 million enrollees, is the nation’s largest health insurer, public or private. But today “public option” advocates sing the praises of tiny “public options” contained in congressional legislation sponsored by leading Democrats that bear no resemblance to the original model.

According to the Congressional Budget Office, the “public options” described in the Democrats’ legislation might enroll 10 million people and will have virtually no effect on health care costs, which means the “public options” cannot, by themselves, have any effect on the number of uninsured. But the leaders of the “public option” movement haven’t told the public they have abandoned their original vision. It’s high time they did.

The bait

“Public option” refers to a proposal, as Timothy Noah put it, “dreamed up” by Jacob Hacker when Hacker was still a graduate student working on a degree in political science. In two papers, one published in 2001 and the second in 2007, Hacker, now a professor of political science at Berkeley, proposed that Congress create an enormous “Medicare-like” program that would sell health insurance to the non-elderly in competition with the 1,000 to 1,500 health insurance companies that sell insurance today.
(more at url)
http://pnhp.org/blog/2009/07/20/bait-and-switch-how-the-%e2%80%9cpublic-option%e2%80%9d-was-sold/

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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 10:32 PM
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1. Kick!
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 11:21 PM
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2. More people oughta be interested in this morsel of knowledge
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man4allcats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 11:28 PM
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3. It is indeed an excellent article.
See also David Swanson's Single Payer Summer in which he suggests that the Feds might ultimately be shamed into providing single payer by being made to look bad by comparison to states that do so first:

"From the point of view of people who really want to get our population better healthcare and who have not been purchased by insurance, drug, and hospital companies, lobbying for Yes votes on single-payer AND lobbying to leave the states language in the non-single-payer bill (or at least allow a vote on it) seems to make a lot of sense. We're saying that we want single-payer nationally, but that if they won't give it to us right away, we at least want states to be left free to lead the way. Canada arrived at its system after a province led the way...

For those lobbying directly for a public option, it also makes perfect sense to demand freedom for states to do better faster. If the goal is providing more people with better healthcare, if the goal is not to avoid making the federal government look second best, if the goal is not to achieve a perverse hyper-simplicity of "messaging," then including the state single-payer language in August demands is the way to go.

Does mentioning allowing states to do single-payer subtract from demanding that the nation do it? I can't see how.

Does avoiding the topic risk tossing aside our best chance at advancing the cause? Absolutely."


Emphasis mine - m4ac -


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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 12:02 AM
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4. I'm all for the fact we have a floor debate and vote for HR 676, and I'm solidly for the Kucinich
amendment to allow states the right to decide their own direction, ie get their own single payer system.

I'd even settle for a real strong 130 million on start up Medicare rate paying, drug negotiating, accessible to anyone Public Option pool.

It would be my 3rd choice but I could put up with it if I had to.
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dolphindance Donating Member (283 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 12:22 AM
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5. Already covered ad-nasuem by the Obama-haters in GD. Unrecced with extreme prejudice. (n/t)
Edited on Fri Aug-21-09 12:24 AM by dolphindance
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 12:41 AM
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6. If you could only destroy it with facts... But to hate it because you know it's honest and true
is so sad.

Do you wish it weren't true? Or are you glad it is true so then you can hate it?

I don't know any Obama haters on DU. I know there are people who are so completely ga ga about obama that they call any one who has any criticism of Obama, whether it's mild or strong true or untrue, sourced or not, they call them Obama haters.

And I think that's so intellectually dishonest.

It's funny. I have a friend and we both voted for Obama and we both are glad that he won, but i was talking politics with him the other day, and he mentioned what a pain it is to talk to his sister about Obama because she is so infatuated with him that if he says anything at all practically she takes it as her cue to have to over compensate defend Obama. My friend could say, Wow it's too bad Obama didn't have time to visit the Grand Tetons when he went to Yellow stone, and his sister would take that as alomost some kind of slight to Obama and respond defensively.

I think the people who spend most of their time acting as defenders of Obama are hurting him and they don't even know it. It's healthy for people to talk about their president, and it's healthy for people to even joke about their president or vent about their president.

The People who take it upon themselves to constantly police that are stuffing up people feelings. They are attempting to kidnap the right to discuss the president and to set the terms of any and all debate and comment. It's scary and it's creepy.

I see it here at DU and it always creeps me out.

So if you are someone who uses the term "Obama hater" at DU? You creep me out, So Stop it!

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dolphindance Donating Member (283 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 09:48 PM
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12. You don't understand what it's like to be black and proud of of our President.
And then have people like you tear him down with trivial things. All while he fights Republican smears and actual racist nut-jobs.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 08:26 AM
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13. The article called 'Bait and Switch; How the Public Option Was Sold' isn't about
Obama.



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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 08:10 PM
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15. I didn't know that being raped by insurance co's now constitutes a "trivial" thing
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 02:18 PM
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19. Obama is not Papa Doc Duvalier, or Robert Mugabe
so please spare us with the personality cult.
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last_texas_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 04:06 AM
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7. K and R.
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Amos Moses Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 04:17 AM
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8. K&R
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 07:10 AM
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9. Very clever bit of bait and switch ...
by the single-payer proponents. I Wonder Why?
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 08:52 AM
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10. What do you mean?
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 08:11 PM
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16. You wonder why your post makes zero sense?
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invictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 09:18 AM
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11. K&R
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 07:55 PM
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14. K & R nt
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 10:50 PM
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17. I love these physicians - A BIG KICK & RECOMMEND - please READ & do the same!
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 02:13 PM
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18. kick n/t
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