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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 11:14 PM
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Krugman: "it’s possible to have universal coverage without a public option "
Op-Ed Columnist

Obama’s Trust Problem

By Paul Krugman
Published: August 20, 2009

According to news reports, the Obama administration — which seemed, over the weekend, to be backing away from the “public option” for health insurance — is shocked and surprised at the furious reaction from progressives.

Well, I’m shocked and surprised at their shock and surprise.

A backlash in the progressive base — which pushed President Obama over the top in the Democratic primary and played a major role in his general election victory — has been building for months. The fight over the public option involves real policy substance, but it’s also a proxy for broader questions about the president’s priorities and overall approach.

The idea of letting individuals buy insurance from a government-run plan was introduced in 2007 by Jacob Hacker of Yale, was picked up by John Edwards during the Democratic primary, and became part of the original Obama health care plan.

One purpose of the public option is to save money. Experience with Medicare suggests that a government-run plan would have lower costs than private insurers; in addition, it would introduce more competition and keep premiums down.

And let’s be clear: the supposed alternative, nonprofit co-ops, is a sham. That’s not just my opinion; it’s what the market says: stocks of health insurance companies soared on news that the Gang of Six senators trying to negotiate a bipartisan approach to health reform were dropping the public plan. Clearly, investors believe that co-ops would offer little real competition to private insurers.

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That said, it’s possible to have universal coverage without a public option — several European nations do it — and some who want a public option might be willing to forgo it if they had confidence in the overall health care strategy. Unfortunately, the president’s behavior in office has undermined that confidence.

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Sorry, Paul, this isn't Europe. It's the U.S. health insurance industry that people don't trust. If President Obama has done anything to undermine the confidence of those who "might be willing to forgo" a public option, then more power to him.






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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 11:23 PM
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1. You mean behavior undermined by a dysfunctional Congress, trying to herd cats?
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 11:23 PM
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2. Yeah, as much as I hate it, we're not ready to get into a Euro plan right away.
(I'm ready, just 'we're' not). And I believe I heard that in Canada it took several years to work into it, province by province.

But I agree with you, it's not Obama that we don't trust, it's the insurance industry. And the republicans. :7
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 11:25 PM
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3. I think Krugman is brilliant, but Obama will fail if there is no public option
The rub for Obama is that the very progressives that propelled him past Hillary will accept nothing less.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 11:26 PM
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4. Krugman lost me at ..
"according to news reports"..he freakin' knows better than that. All the "news reports" are a bunch of bullshit and along comes Krugman to analyse the bullshit with more bullshit.
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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 06:16 AM
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15. I know
Edited on Fri Aug-21-09 06:17 AM by CTLawGuy
he also said that "coops are a sham" and his proof was that health insurance company stock went up upon news of a bipartisan compromise discarding the public option, rather than any sort of justification based on economic principles.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 12:22 PM
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21. Sometimes he's good and
sometimes..I dunno what he's thinking.

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tj2001 Donating Member (685 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 11:45 PM
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5. "wasted months trying to appease people who can’t be appeased,
and who take every concession as a sign that he can be rolled."

Good summary of what happened.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 11:48 AM
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19. What exactly has he conceded?
It certainly wasn't single-payer because that was never a serious consideration. So what else?
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DrToast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 11:50 PM
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6. I sense that Krugman is (correctly) worried that the public option is going to fail
And he realizes that you can get everything you want through regulation.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 11:53 PM
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7. Krugman has a tendency to underestimate Obama n/t
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 12:06 AM
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8. True, but we need a permanent solution and I think a public option
is the only way to effectively prevent R's from over turning health care reform going forward.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 11:41 AM
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17. Exactly. n/t
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Penguin31 Donating Member (208 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 12:09 AM
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9. Horse manure.
As long as the incentive for profit remains in something as basic as medical coverage, business will seek means to cut their losses, and that means either denial of service or such a restriction in payouts as to render insurance useless anyway.
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 12:22 AM
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10. As usual, Krugman is right

...progressives are now in revolt. Mr. Obama took their trust for granted, and in the process lost it. And now he needs to win it back.


That sums up how I feel. I was always suspicious of Obama. I had this women's intuition that he would be Bill Clinton ver. 2.0 without the sex scandal. That seems to be what is happening. He and his Admin are trying to triangulate and the result is progressives, who suffered under it during Clinton's 2 terms, have spotted it and are calling Obama on it. What Obama and the Clintonistas he's hired into his Admin don't realize is that Progressives know the Triangulation game plan and instead of letting them get away with it, are going to fight back. The one good thing that 8 years of George W. Bush has done for Progressives is teach us how to fight back against spineless Democrats. We may not win every battle, but we're getting better each time.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 12:34 AM
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11. No Public Option(some form Gov.Control) means Democrats have
agreed with Republicans to end Medicare. The Democrats set
the table and GOP cut it completely when they come to power.
I never thought I would live to see the Democrats end Medicare.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 12:42 AM
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12. How does it mean that Dems have agreed to end Medicare?
I don't follow your logic. :shrug:
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 04:45 AM
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13. This is how it works in Belgium and The Netherlands
The government regulates the Health Insurance companies. But does not run it's own Public Option.

Here is an description of the health insurance system in The Netherlands:
http://www.justlanded.com/english/Netherlands/Netherlands-Guide/Health/Healthcare


For the record: I personally prefer the simpler Single Payer system they have in England (even if in practice it does not work as well as it should). Having a multitude of different insurance companies all doing the same thing and trying to make profits for shareholders is expensive and (in my opinion) morally unsound. But then we also know that President Obama would go for Single Payer ("if we were starting with a blank sheet of paper").

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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 05:27 AM
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14. regulation is only as good as
the regulators who are supposed to enforce it.

Doesn't cut it with me. We need to cut the insurance leeches out of the system. It's not likely we can do it in one fell swoop. But public option would enable us to starve them out over time.
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DrToast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 12:00 PM
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20. Inconsistent?
If you don't trust the the government to regulate insurance companies, why would you trust it to be an insurance company?
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 06:38 AM
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16. Republicans regulate insurance companies?
:rofl:
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 11:48 AM
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18. He's wrong on two points.
1. As ProSense said, it's the insurance industry that people don't trust, and the Senate is the problem. Not Obama.
2. It wasn't progressives that pushed Obama over the top, it was independents and republicans.

As usual, Huffington Post has fabricated a headline for this story, ala Drudge.
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 04:17 PM
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22. I was about to make your exact point
2. It wasn't progressives that pushed Obama over the top, it was independents and republicans.

It truly amazes me that with all of the polling data and the 7 billion articles written on Obama's history-defying coalition of voters who helped get him elected, that there are still some who try to push this "liberals put him in office" stuff.
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