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TomCADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 04:28 PM
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Public Option Question: If People Always Pick The Cheapest Option, Why Do Lot Of Folks Choose PPOs?
I know the media ignores the examples of how the U.S. Postal Service, UPS, and FedEx can exist side by side, but what about the continuing existence of PPO healthcare plans, which are often offered side by side with HMOs by some employers? In my experience, they have always been the most expensive option, but I know a lot of folks who choose such plans over HMOs. I would think that even with a public option, there will still be a lot of folks who might opt for a private plan, rather than the cheapest alternative. Indeed, I received a solicitation from a former doctor who was offering a "concierge" plan for an annual charge of about $3,000.00 on top of insurance premiums. Of course, that is a bit rich for my blood.

http://www.solveyourproblem.com/health-insurance-guide/PPO-HMO.shtml

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PPO vs HMO: Benefits and Downfalls


Both HMOs and PPOs have benefits and downfalls. This will be dependent on what you are looking for and what kind of coverage that best suits your needs. Many people swear by one or the other and have no desire for the opposing insurance. But they are very similar in many cases and the things that make them different, are where the benefit or deficit lies for the individual.

A HMO is a collection of health professionals, doctors, hospitals, mental healthcare workers, and other specialists, who work for a set fee. There are independent HMOs in where all the staff members that work there work directly for that private HMO. A more broad spectrum of doctors and other health care workers can agree to a set fee for service with many different HMO plan companies and are not actually owned by the HMO itself. HMOs are designed to save people money while getting the entire healthcare they need. Co-pays for visits and prescriptions are usually very low and there is no deductible to be met. However, HMOs do have their downside. HMOs are in business to make money and so if you have many health care issues, you may not be accepted or have to pay more. If you have a chronic medical condition that requires many visits, tests, and treatment you will cost the HMO lots of money. They balance this out by keeping a tight hold on your health care. They must approve all visits prior to you going.

HMOs are usually extremely restrictive and have lots of rules that must be followed if you want them to pay. You can only see the doctors on your HMO list, and you must see your primary care doctor first, no matter what is wrong with you. If you have to go to the hospital you must have your primary doctor’s permission prior to going. Many people find that way too restricting and choose to not go with HMOs for that very reason. When and if you need to see specialist, you must have seen your doctor first to make sure they can’t treat you instead of going to a more expensive doctor. The HMO makes sure it is their doctor who has control over all your medical needs, not you. Most doctors are excellent and will hand out referrals and most doctors these days are enrolled in HMO plans so this isn’t a problem for many people. If you are not one of the lucky ones, getting the care you need could be difficult or non-existent. HMOs can also be a bit fussy about you wanting to change your primary doctor. So be sure that you like your doctor and you have spoken to other people who are patients of him or her.

Most HMOs also have a patient quota that the doctor has to comply with. He or she must see a set number of patients per day to avoid penalization or being removed from the group. This is why there is never enough time to talk with your doctor past your examination point. They need to keep it short so they can see more patients. There is also the concept of Capitation that gives contracted doctors a set amount of money for each patient each month. This is given no matter if the patient is sick or well. Lastly you must make sure any labs or tests you need are covered with your plan or they won’t be covered. But for most people who have HMOs this is not a problem and their doctors are great, so they don’t have any problems at all.

A PPO is a collection of private-practice doctors, labs, cares facilities, and hospitals that contract with insurance companies and receive an agreed set rate for their services. These plans have much less restriction but cost more to the patients. The patient has more control over their own medical needs and doesn’t need a referral as long as the doctor they are seeing is a member of the PPO. The co-payment is higher because the plan only covers usually 80% of the fees. So that makes you the insured responsible for 20% of all your fees from all medical treatment including hospital stays. You may also have a deductible to meet before your coverage starts each year. PPOs hire nurses and medical professionals to handle patient cases and make decisions about hospital visits and diagnostic tests. You have more freedom, but you end up filling out claim forms.

PPOs are great for people who have the money and want to have more freedom in their healthcare choices. If you are a person with many health issues that require several different opinions, extensive tests or treatment, and need specialists, this plan gives you a better choice and fewer restrictions on what you can do. You won’t have to wait months to see the specialist; you will be able to just go. It will cost you more money, but you ill have your needs met faster.

So which type of insurance do you choose and is one better than the other. HMOs can be a lifesaver to many people who need insurance but don’t have a lot of money. But for many people it is just a personal preference based on their own needs and the needs of your family. So, one needs to take a look at all options and make an informed decision. Neither one of the plans is perfect, so pick the one that best suits you.

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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 04:35 PM
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1. And even if people always chose the least-cost option, wouldn't that be their right?
Doesn't the RW always preach that the market, based on individual choice, is always right?

True, experts might think that people weren't choosing in their own best interests, we might think that people weren't choosing in their own best interests; but shouldn't that be forbidden the RWers, based on their own philosophy?
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 04:40 PM
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2. I chose one a while back so I could actually get treated for something
The death panel of the HMO I used previously had denied care, so I went with the PPO for a year and got the treatment I needed. Simple as that.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 04:54 PM
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3. I would think people buy according to what they can afford.
Sure, I would like one 20,000 dollar plans they describing, but
I have what I think I can afford. If at some time, I think
I need more, I might try to see what I could do.

Each person circumstances, dictate their purchase, I would think.
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tosh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 04:55 PM
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4. Out here in the sticks
a lot of people choose PPOs. I think it is because of convenience. There is one med clinic (family practice) here and 2 pharmacies. Twenty miles away are more clinics, specialists, chain pharmacies, two hospitals, etc., but they don't want to be required to make that drive just to refill an Rx or to get a tetanus shot.

I might add, though, that more here are on Medicare and Medicaid than on private insurance.
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andym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 04:58 PM
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5. One incorrect assumption. PPOs not more expensive than HMOs
It's often the reverse by a lot. At our small business HMO family rate =$1400, PPO rate= $700.

The difference= PPO pays only 80% of costs. WOW such great coverage.

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Ewellian Donating Member (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 06:32 PM
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6. Medicare only pays
80% of costs too under Medicare part b. While my PPO has a maximum out of pocket per year (after which it pays 100%), Medicare does not.
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TomCADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 07:29 PM
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7. Well, Wish That Were The Case With My "Options." Our PPO Is Significantly More Expensive
Edited on Fri Aug-21-09 07:29 PM by TomCADem
Or, it could be that our HMO option (Kaiser) is cheaper than average. The area where you can really get nailed is if you get treated by an out-of-network doctor.
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