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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 05:57 PM
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Does ANYONE think a public option could ever be added if it's not in THIS year's bill?
Edited on Fri Aug-21-09 05:57 PM by Ken Burch
If that was possible, explain why nothing meaningful ever got added to Medicare or Medicaid?

(This is a question for the "it's still a win without a public option" crowd.)
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 06:01 PM
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1. The insurance lobbyists will be even MORE powerful if there is no public option this year....
...because of the subsidy money in the bill, and the lack of competition.

It would be more difficult to pass a public option after passing the House bill with the public option dropped.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 02:23 AM
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23. ding ding ding..you win the 65,000 prize! eom
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 06:02 PM
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2. No. This bill needs to be THE SHIT. Dems need to make it so.
Edited on Fri Aug-21-09 06:02 PM by Avalux
Nothing else will be worthwhile. They all need to fight for this as if their lives depend on it but will they? I am choosing right now to think they'll eventually come together.
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 06:06 PM
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3. It won't be anytime soon.
Ten more years?
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 06:10 PM
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4. Not just Public Option, but single-payer. Damn right we could get it.
We might have to lynch a few Senators first before the rest start listening to reason, though.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 06:13 PM
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5. It PO gets defeated in first go then forget trying to bring it up later.
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last_texas_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 06:27 PM
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6. It's *possible*, in the broad sense that all sorts of things are possible...
but not particularly likely. Plus, I think passing a bill w/o a public option just adds years to the amount of time it will take for meaningful health care reform to take place. And I'm thinking more and more that the passage of a toothless version of a "public option" will have a similar impact...
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 06:34 PM
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7. Yes.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 06:35 PM
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8. Yes. When this doesn't work, and it won't
People will finally be ready to accept govt managed reimbursements.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 06:55 PM
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11. August is like the third inning of a game with extra innings... you don't think it'll happen?
Or am I confused, the OP wasn't that clear re public option or medicare or whatever.

sandnsea! We are pretty close on this with plenty of time ahead of us.

:shrug:
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 07:07 PM
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13. I really don't know what will happen
I think it will mostly depend on whether we can get organized and make an appealing argument like we did last year.

I'm just saying that even if we only get subsidized insurance, which I'm fine with even though I don't think it's sustainable in the long term, we can still end up with single payer once that is proven to be too expensive.

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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 07:16 PM
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15. well...
I think a reasonable approach has been expressed before.

Start with a public option, not a co-op, that is made available to people.

As Barney Frank said, if people don't choose it it will fail.

If it doesn't fail, it will be selected by more people.

Over a year or two or three it will prove itself (or not), at which point a broadening of it's availability can lead to a single payer system for all who want it.

It's incremental, but it's logical and it has a pretty good chance of passing this year.

Have a good weekend.

NYC_SKP
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 07:27 PM
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18. I agree with that, but that wasn't the OP's question
The question was whether we will ever get single payer or a public option if we don't pass it now. I don't agree with that. I think as long as we get something that brings everybody into the pool, we'll eventually get to single payer because it's the only sustainable means to provide everybody health care.
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Buck Laser Donating Member (566 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 06:40 PM
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9. Even if we don't get to single payer the first time around,
that's no reason to take our toys and go home.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 06:43 PM
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10. I was talking public option, not single-payer
Edited on Fri Aug-21-09 06:45 PM by Ken Burch
It's pretty clear that we're not getting single-payer, but it's also pretty clear that the chances of that ever happening are pretty slim if we don't even get public option.

Remember, as I pointed out in the OP, nothing meaningful at all has been added to Medicare or Medicaid since either was created. Both are pretty much right where they started, or reduced from that.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 06:57 PM
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12. I haven't heard from many in the "it's still a win without the public option" crowd...
Are there many such critters on this board?

:shrug:
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 05:08 AM
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25. I think there's more than a few
Especially from those who actually ARE in the "Cult" wing of the Obama movement(a faction that is not the majority, thank God, but who are loud nonetheless). And it includes those who are still basically DLC'ers and who, thus, never really wanted Obama to get his healthcare plan through in the first place(all Blue Dog Dems are in this category, since all Blue Dogs have demonstrated that they don't give a damn if their constituents can't get healthcare as long as the insurance industry campaign checks keep clearing.)
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jesus_of_suburbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 07:14 PM
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14. No. It won't happen in Obama's Presidency if it doesn't happen this time.
So I'd say the earliest we could even start the debate would be 2016 if it doesn't happen now.



Thankfully, I think it will happen. Pres Obama said he was using his political capital on this issue... I trust he will. Pelosi said it will happen.


It's gonna happen!
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 07:19 PM
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17. I am with you on this jesus.. it is going to happen.. loved how Pelosi
drew the line in the sand yesterday.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 09:24 PM
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21. Yeah, well, there's a midterm election in there, you know /nt
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 07:19 PM
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16. No.
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 07:34 PM
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19. IMO, this is a do or die time. Literally for 18 thousand americans
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GOTV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 09:01 PM
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20. No. How would you create enthusiasm to change healthcare ...
... when you just changed healthcare
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 02:22 AM
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22. no , won't ever happen in my lifetime! eom
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 02:48 AM
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24. Nope. And that's too bad because I'm going to need it. n/t
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 07:34 AM
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26. Nope. A P.O. will not be added, if it's not included at the beginning. BUT...it could be weak.
I think a P.O. COULD be made stronger over the years, if the structure of it is there to begin with.
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 08:11 AM
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27. No. If we don't get it
now I don't believe we will ever get it.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 08:16 AM
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28. I was wondering if the POTUS might be able to eradicate
the Medicare age requirement by executive order.
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krawhitham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 08:49 AM
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29. how much can be done with signing statements?
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 03:11 AM
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33. Signing statements can reduce the effects of a bill, not increase them
n/t.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 08:53 AM
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30. Sure, why not? Part 'D' of Medicare was added decades later
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invictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 08:59 AM
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31. No, Obama has abandoned the public option. We will get RomneyCare.
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yowzayowzayowza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 09:02 AM
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32. SCHIP in '97?
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 03:15 AM
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34. Definately.
Especially if there is a trigger in this bill. A trigger would either force private insurance companies to dramatically cut premiums, or it would create a public option (or make one easier to pass).

But even if there is no trigger, I think that it is very possible that we will get a public option. If we get good subsidies for private insurance, they will need to be paid for. If insurance companies don't keep costs down, we will have to cut costs and one of the easiest ways to do that is a public option. Once we have the subsidies, they will be very hard (if not impossible) to remove, and they will force a public option (or another type of cost containment) to come later.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 03:19 AM
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35. The status quo is not sustainable- so eventually at the very least there will be a two tiered system
The only question I have is:

How much farther down the ladder toward 3rd world status does the US have to go before it becomes imperative?
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cleveramerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 04:06 AM
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36. unlikely at best
unless we figure out exactly what a public option is
why its essential
and how to convince the nation we are correct about it.

in politics clarity wins
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