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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 08:40 PM
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Tonight at dinner a friend suggested Obama is selling this health care thing all wrong.
He should be comparing the health care reforms and the new market to the educational market the USA has for universities. Some public, some private which results in excellence and access.

What do you all think?
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 08:44 PM
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1. I think it is a good idea
however; it might be too complicated for some to comprehend.

I hate to say it but the message has to be sophisticated and dumbed down.
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geckosfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 08:44 PM
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2. I have not heard of federal universities. There are state funded universities which
are considered public. In general they are much more affordable and accessible than private universities and my experiences with them have been good.

I really don't see how this is analogous to the health care industry though.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 08:48 PM
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4. The market being a mix of public/private. And how great the system is that is both
accessable and has excellence. The USA is already a mixed market economy which the freepers don't seem to know. So show them using universities as an example. That is one market that Americans have confidence in.
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geckosfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 07:12 AM
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13. Kind of a tangential example but makes sense as far as it goes.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 09:47 PM
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15. Obama did use the post office as an example. I think the university comparison is better.
Fits.
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 08:48 PM
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3. I think it's a pretty good analogy in some ways
there are both public and private universities, and one does not negate the presence of the other. They are competitive and that fact makes them both better. Public universities are just about always comparable quality for less money.

The most intriguing part of using this as an analogy/model is that many, many private universities subsidize enrollments with scholarships out of their endowments. You would probably never see this happen in the private insurance industry due strictly to the fact that they are way too greedy to subsidize enrollment and would much rather pay it out in executive compensations.

Interesting
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 08:56 PM
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5. Medicare for All
Simple. Sells itself without explanation.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 09:39 PM
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7. +1 (piece by piece)
SCHIP's been expanded from the low end of the age spectrum.

With a few steps we could bring in everyone over time.

I like what I heard about lowering the Medicare age 10 years at a time, for example.

:kick:
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JBoris Donating Member (675 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 09:09 PM
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6. What about social security and private retirement investments?
Another example of "big government" helping those who need it, while those who can afford it have other options.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 09:54 PM
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8. Oh, yeah, the hooligans at the town halls want to hear about "them ee-lite liberl
Edited on Fri Aug-21-09 09:56 PM by valerief
yoony-versities." You'd make their brains totally explode then.

Something more like "there are public beaches and there are private beaches" would be more their speed.
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muntrv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 10:00 PM
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9. Medicare for those under 65 would have done it. Plain and simple to understand.
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 10:06 PM
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10. Medicare for ALL
Let the idiot repugs slam medicare.
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timeforpeace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 10:34 PM
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11. He's obviously selling the health care thing wrong. Not sure if that's the solution.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 10:51 PM
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12. I'm not sure if Obama is selling it wrong. But he has to try and break through
the GOP bullshit and get the truth out. The GOP know that once a public/private system is in place americans will like it so much they will start to think like a "we" instead of as an "I". And that means the end of the GOP agenda of not taxes and nothing for the middle class...while all the benefits go to the rich. So Obama could not possibly sell his plan to the GOP. But he needs to sell in in a convincing way to the American public to activate the 70% who do want health care reform and get them writing their congress critters.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 06:06 AM
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16. It's not that he's selling it wrong...
Edited on Sun Aug-23-09 06:08 AM by Drunken Irishman
It's that the right lies.

Same as it ever was.

Obama could do this and that, but if the other side continues to lie, they'll get the advantage because it's easier to lie. You don't have to explain a lie, but Obama is always forced to explain the truth.

Think about it.

Sarah Palin can get up and scream death panels and how many people actually hold her accountable for it? Obama gets up and talks about providing this and that and the first question he gets is how he'll pay for it all.

Lies scare people, the truth bores people. Lies are dark and sinister and carry more weight - that's why people do it.

People constantly lie about stupid things, even if the truth works just as well.

Think back to when you were a kid and you did something stupid. Like maybe you ate the last cookie, even though you weren't supposed to, or you were supposed to eat it after a certain hour. What's the worst that could have come from telling the truth? Maybe you get the evil eye from mom, but generally, nothing.

Doesn't matter, though. What do you do? You lie.

"Oh, it must have been sis..."

Mom knows you lied. Sis definitely knows you lied and you certainly know you lied.

The problem is, mom was always there to call you on your lies and slap you around for it. Well our media doesn't do that.

So not only do the Republicans lie about the easiest thing, they get away with it - which forces them to lie even more!

Now Obama could lie to the American people, but I don't think that's the type of person he is. He isn't going to lie to make a point.

Palin? You know she will.

So no, I don't think Obama is selling it wrong. He's selling it truthfully, but the other side is lying. And the lie is always better because it's short and to the point.

This happens in politics all the time.

Especially from Republicans.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 07:30 AM
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14. Sounds good. Not the ONLY way. But it should be used. It's a valid argument. nt
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