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Jackeens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 12:42 PM
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'Time to nuke the Republican party' - Guardian (UK)
Steven Guess (August 22)

Time to nuke the Republican party - Republicans don't want to pass real healthcare reform – so Democrats should push the button on the 'nuclear option'


Barack Obama's opponents view defeating healthcare reform as their ticket to recapturing power, with one Republican Senator infamously declaring that it would be the president's "Waterloo". Efforts by Republicans to feign interest in real reform by seeking to slow the progress of the bill or start over are nothing more than thinly veiled efforts to undermine the scope of reform and preserve the status quo. As a result of this increasingly polarised political landscape, Democrats are now signalling that they may pass part of the healthcare bill without Republican support by splitting the bill into two more manageable pieces.

The first part would include insurance reform and could be passed with broader approval. The second, more controversial bill would involve substantive reform and may include a government-run "public option" or nonprofit cooperative that would compete with private insurers. Passing the more contentious part of reform would require using a budget device called "reconciliation" that would enable the bill to pass by simple majority rather than the 60 votes needed to overcome a filibuster.

Talk of using reconciliation has Republicans crying foul, calling it the "nuclear option", as well as an "end run" around the democratic process. It's difficult to take seriously protests that are so clearly hypocritical in the face of years of strong-arm Republican legislative tactics that used this same same tool on at least four occasions involving tax cuts and oil drilling. Moreover, George Bush's Senate allies once denounced the filibuster as the "formula for tyranny by the minority" and downplayed reconciliation as simply the "constitutional option".

More: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2009/aug/22/healthcare-obama-reconciliation-congress

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ej510 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 12:46 PM
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1. The problem is a quarter of our party is republican as well.
How do get by them?
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 12:49 PM
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3. Elections have PRIMARIES
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 12:47 PM
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2. Time to kick the publikans and bluecross dogs to the fking curb
Edited on Sat Aug-22-09 12:47 PM by Vincardog
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 12:53 PM
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4. Nuke the Repukes! I like it!
Problem is that we have a lot of DINOs in our own party who are behaving like Repukes. They are going to be the biggest obstacles for the president. Their collusion with the Repukes could possibly destroy the Democratic Party and Obama's legacy...just as what happened to Bill Clinton and his legacy.
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Puzzler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 03:42 PM
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5. I wish writers would not fall into this trap...
Edited on Sat Aug-22-09 03:44 PM by Puzzler
... he says:


"The fact that reconciliation lowers the threshold for passing legislation does not mean it's an undemocratic tool..."


The threshold is, and always has been 51 votes. This is not a lowered "threshold"!

(Even though he goes on to clarify)
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 03:48 PM
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6. GREAT points. SCREW THE Re-PUKES. They are against ANY real reform !
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markbark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 07:09 AM
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7. No Doubt The Upcoming Healthcare Battle Will Be a "Waterloo"
...what remains to be seen is who is Napoleon and who is Wellington.

:popcorn:
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mikekohr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 07:34 AM
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8. Nuke 'em
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Cobalt-60 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 07:57 AM
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9. Now there's something we can all enjoy

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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 08:35 AM
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10. Just once I would like for Reid
to say, forcefully, "We were locked out of the process for 12 years while the right wing passed every piece of legislation they proposed. Now they are being hypocritical and we won't tolerate it"

Instead our loser of a "leader" cowers and will eventually give in
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malletgirl02 Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 08:43 AM
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11. The Guardian
For those who are more knowledgeable than I am. Does the Guardian, make such a direct comment on US party politics, or is it it Unusual? If it is the latter is it because the Republicans attacked the NHS?
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 09:07 AM
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13. The Daily Mirror from the UK sure does
The headlines after Bush "won" in 2004

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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 08:47 AM
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12. This is so right. The Dem leaders can't let the Pubes stand in the way of
improvements to our health care system.

It's time for them to nuke the Pubes, and "bring out the gimp", so to speak, to handle the blue dogs.

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