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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 01:35 PM
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Here's the deal- anything going on outside the Finance Committee is just a cover
Edited on Sat Aug-22-09 01:47 PM by Phoebe Loosinhouse

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/06/health/policy/06insure.html?_r=1
White House Affirms Deal on Drug Cost
By DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK
Published: August 5, 2009

WASHINGTON —
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Mr. Tauzin said the administration had approached him to negotiate. “They wanted a big player to come in and set the bar for everybody else,” he said. He said the White House had directed him to negotiate with Senator Max Baucus, the business-friendly Montana Democrat who leads the Senate Finance Committee.

Mr. Tauzin said the White House had tracked the negotiations throughout, assenting to decisions to move away from ideas like the government negotiation of prices or the importation of cheaper drugs from Canada. The $80 billion in savings would be over a 10-year period. “80 billion is the max, no more or less,” he said. “Adding other stuff changes the deal.”

After reaching an agreement with Mr. Baucus, Mr. Tauzin said, he met twice at the White House with Rahm Emanuel, the White House chief of staff; Mr. Messina, his deputy; and Nancy-Ann DeParle, the aide overseeing the health care overhaul, to confirm the administration’s support for the terms.


In an interview on Wednesday, Representative Raul M. Grijalva, the Arizona Democrat who is co-chairman of the House progressive caucus, called Mr. Tauzin’s comments “disturbing.”

“We have all been focused on the debate in Congress, but perhaps the deal has already been cut,” Mr. Grijalva said. “That would put us in the untenable position of trying to scuttle it.”


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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/08/us/08lobby.html
Obama Reverses Stand on Drug Industry Deal
By DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK
Published: August 7, 2009

WASHINGTON — Caught between a pivotal industry ally and the protests of Congressional Democrats, the Obama administration on Friday backed away from what drug industry lobbyists had said this week was a firm White House promise to exclude from a proposed health care overhaul the possibility of allowing the government to negotiate lower drug prices under Medicare.

The reversal underscored the delicate balancing act the White House has pursued in its strategy of negotiating behind-the-scenes deals to win industry support without alienating liberal supporters on Capitol Hill.

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Several people involved in the negotiations of the original drug industry deal with the White House said there had been some ambiguity in the original discussions, conducted primarily through the Senate Finance Committee, over whether the overhaul might include the government negotiations of drug prices.


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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/13/health/policy/13health.html
Obama Is Taking an Active Role in Talks on Health Care Plan
By DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK
Published: August 12, 2009

WASHINGTON —
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Early last month, for example, hospital officials were poised to appear at the White House to announce a deal limiting their industry’s share of the costs of the overhaul proposal when a wave of jitters swept through the group. Senator Max Baucus, the Finance Committee chairman and a party to the deal , had abruptly pulled out of the event. Was he backing away from his end of the deal?

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Some Democrats and industry lobbyists now argue that, in negotiating deals through Mr. Baucus’s committee with powerful health care interests, the White House was tacitly signaling as early as last spring that it might end up accepting something more modest than the government insurer the president has said he prefers.


Industry lobbyists and moderate Democrats in both chambers, though, argue that the White House’s actions behind the scenes show a recognition that the finance panel’s anticipated compromise is the most likely template for any final legislation.

“The House has largely been a sideshow,” said Representative Jim Cooper of Tennessee, a member of the so-called Blue Dog caucus of conservative Democrats. “The Senate Finance Committee is where it really matters. That’s the bottleneck.”


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I hope you'll take the time to read the three stories in order completely.

The Big Boys with all the chips are busily trading them away in the Finance Committee. Note how involved the President and the White House are with this committee. All this pretense of just standing back and letting the various committees do their own thing is complete total utter BS.

Notice too how possibly things like drug negotiation and rebates are being traded away, in order to get industry support for the bill. Why wouldn't they support a deal that extracts very little from them, gives them millions of new consumers and protects their profits? I thought reduction of drug prices was supposed to fund a large part of the Public Option. Oh.

It looks like the Finance Committee is hot and cold running lobbyists.





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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 01:39 PM
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1. Anything outside the reconciation committee is just speculation

The Senate Fincance Committee has no trump over the House of Representatives Bill.
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 01:50 PM
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2. That makes no sense
the only reason the finance committee crap is getting so much attention is that they have not passed anything yet. If the HELP committee was doing all this wrangling they'd be getting attention too.

But unlike the Finance committee, the HELP committee is actually chaired by a real democrat.
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jannyk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 02:10 PM
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3. k&r!!
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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 02:26 PM
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4. Always like your fact-based splash of cool water. Know if these deals are just stalls of
co-operation, not firm, and go away if the HELP or 3200 stressing negotiation get enough daylight?

I don't mind negotiations with players of 1/6 of our GDP to get a sense of the enemy or the opposition. Amazing that some think we can be completely adversarial here, considering how much trouble we've had already. These power players were to tame the GOP, but they didn't. I'd say all bets/gentlemen's agreement off.

I can believe the admin wagered what they thought they could efficiently and quickly, with reforms still a big deal. Didn't happen and industry/GOP to blame. I think we'll come out swinging; the country wants change. But how much do we have to redo? Still want mandates?
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 05:02 PM
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5. The second story says that House leaders say they will not be bound
by the deals. We'll have to see about that.

I think President Obama has painted himself into a real corner if he if actually agreed to no drug price negotiation. That is a fair litmus test to judge whether a bill is designed to favor Pharma and their gravy train for politicians or to favor people.

My opinion from reading the three stories is that there is an insider leaking details of these God-awful deals with Pharma hoping to shed sunlight on them and have them shrivel in the light of day. I'm sure Rahm can't be happy about this stuff being in the open. They are counting on the public forgetting about all this stuff in the downtime.

My next question for the President at any press opportunity would not be about public option again, but whether he felt that drug price negotiation was still an essential part of any reform? He has said numerous times in the past that it is and he has said that savings reaped would go a long way towards paying for any reform in order to make it deficit neutral. If he waffles about drug negotiation, then I would take it that the public option is dead even if they don't want to come out and say so.

Remember, Olympia Snowe said that Public Option WAS NOT EVEN ON THE TABLE in the Finance Committee. I thought she was wrong, but now that I know the kind of deal making going on in that particular little venue, I'm willing to give her more credence. That makes me pretty disgusted with the charades Schumer has been putting out.

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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 05:20 PM
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7. Since public option was always a lift, or more surprising a one than he thought, Obama wanted to see
what they could come up with without the same loaded name to get costs contained and give competition. Typical reflex to see all sides that went weeks beyond what was supposed to. The Finance could have passed a similar bill to HELP woth Rockefeller and Kerry, Schumer, etc (although Chuckie S. is another slippery one).

My concern is beyond the Medicare donut hole, what else was/has Pharma promised. Tauzin is not an honest man, to even retell a deal (and do remember a press thing, so wasn't secret). What started the stories was the Town Hall that Obama answered we have a deal but we can do better. So unclear if industry hasn't kept its word, what the word was, although many cos. have positive ads calling for bi-partisanship and fewer attack ads, they are spending lobbying dollars on town hall antics and Dem Congress.
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 05:56 PM
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9. I think the crux of the issue is whether the 80 billion over 10 years
to help fill the existing doughnut hole in Medicare was enough of a return to give away the rest of the farm - future drug negotiation, re-importation of drugs from Canada, rebates, etc.

Apparently no one got it that that first deal would be the ONLY deal with Pharma. That was the part that ruffled all the feathers. Congressional feathers. Feathers of people who are following this very closely to see if in the end we'll get something worth having or at least better than Romney Care. (You are correct that the deal itself was not secret and was announced in June. I also have a similarly low opinion of Tauzin as you)

My personal opinion is that if 80 billion over 10 years is all the White House was able to negotiate, then they got rolled.

It just like the HUGE announcement from May when we heard the insurance industry would voluntarily cut some small percentage from their RATE OF FUTURE INCREASE. Nice, but really no big whoop.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 05:04 PM
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6. FAIL and unrec
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 05:25 PM
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8. Fail in what way?
Do you think the stories are incorrect? Misleading? Is my interpretation wrong? Do you find anything unsettling about reports of back-door deals that may not be to the benefit of the American people? I do. Do you prefer not to know about it? Do you prefer that others not know about it as well?

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