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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 07:08 PM
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Addressing a talking point used against a public option: CB0 estimates 10 million would be covered
Edited on Sun Aug-30-09 07:13 PM by ProSense
The CBO estimates is based on the availability through employers and even that isn't set in stone.

May article in the NYT:

One of the most notable features of the Senate proposals is that workers could drop out of an employer’s group health plan and buy private insurance on their own, outside the workplace. The employer’s normal contribution for a worker would be paid to the insurance exchange.

Democrats said that people dropping out of employer plans would, in many cases, be eligible for tax credits to defray their premiums.

Employers worry that this feature would destabilize the health plans they provide to employees.

“If people can opt out of employer-sponsored insurance and get a tax credit, that will lead to a death spiral for employer-sponsored plans,” said James P. Gelfand, senior manager of health policy at the United States Chamber of Commerce.

“People who are sick will stay in employer plans, and many young, healthy people will opt out,” Mr. Gelfand said.

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The CBO cannot predict how many people will opt out of their employer plan, which is nothing new.

On edit: The Chamber of Commerce guy evidently doesn't have a lot of faith in private insurance, despite the claim that people are happy with their insurance.

America’s Affordable Health Choices Act Section-by-Section Analysis


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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 07:27 PM
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1. If you actually read what the CBO said you would know that the 10 million figure
Edited on Sun Aug-30-09 07:28 PM by John Q. Citizen
was for HR3200.

The Senate HELP Bill creates 50 small public options each administered by a private insurance company. The CBO predicted no one would sign up for that deal.

See, you can spin, you can misrepresent, you can omit and you can not bother to read any source material before you post, but you can't do it and expect no one will notice.


It's very funny in a way the way you mix up HR3200 (aka America's Affordable Health Care Act, the house bill) and the Senate HELP bill.

You are mixed up and you don't even know it.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 07:34 PM
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2. Here's a clue:
When the law is signed, there will not be a House or Senate version.

Clue 2: People being able to opt out has nothing to do with a version, it's just a plain fact.


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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 07:53 PM
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3. Just because you are mixed up, don't assume everyone else is also.
The insurance industry is calling the shots here, which is why the PO is so crappy in both bills.

It's also why single payer was off the table from the start.

Yet you haven't even acknowledged those facts which have been quite clear for a long time.




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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 07:55 PM
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4. Seriously, what's your issue? What the hell does your response have to do with people opting out? nt
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-30-09 08:01 PM
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5. My issue is truth in advertizing. You should try it sometime.
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