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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 12:50 PM
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Thom Hartmann is covering Obama's continuing the rendition
policy of Bush Jr.
Obama is disappointing me, no end.
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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 12:51 PM
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1. thanks for the heads-up. I know.... about the disappointment... me too....
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 12:54 PM
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2. My understanding is Hartman has it wrong, EXTRAORDINARY rendition is what the Bush admin did
...while rendition is and has been legal for generations.

Rendition itself is taking someone from another country that you feel is a criminal and making them go through a persecution or imprisonment (if they're a soldier on the other side) process.

What Bush did was make them go through torture and never ending imprisonment...
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 12:58 PM
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5. +1
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 01:02 PM
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7. +2. nt
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 12:55 PM
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3. WIKI Link on ***LEGAL*** Rendition !!!
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 12:58 PM
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4. Clinton had rendition, too. Obama outlawed torture. Bushed allowed it.
As long as they aren't being tortured, what's the alternative? Almost nobody in Congress wants the detainees on OUR soil, in OUR prisons, so how else will Obama be able to close Gitmo?
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 01:01 PM
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6. You need to get your facts straight first. nt
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-31-09 03:48 PM
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8. Obama is a disappointment to those who live in a world where
Obama is really Kucinich with an Obama mask on, but Kucinich is really who was elected.

In that world, candidates like Kucinich have a chance of winning a presidential election, because in this world everyone thinks exactly like those on the extreme left.

In that world, the President can do anything he wants,
as long as he is a Democrat pushing the liberal causes of the Left only.

In that world, there is no media pushback by 24/7 cable and corporate news entities
influencing a large segment of the populous to be against anything and everything
this President does.

In that world, everything is Black or White, and everything is separated by right vs. wrong,
and Right vs. Left.

In that world the President ought to be perfect in everyway the far Left decides is appropriate.

In that world, considering what Obama has done over the last 8 months, Obama is a great disappointment, especially for those who like to speculate, that if they were Obama,
they'd do things completely different and to much greater success.....all of which is their talk that continues to go untested, and unproven.

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