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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 12:24 PM
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51 Vote Rules May Force a Public Option Too Liberal for Some Dems

51 Vote Rules May Force a Public Option Too Liberal for Some Dems

Brian Beutler

As Senate leaders begin work on a Democrat-only health care bill, they're finding themselves confronted with an unexpected irony: Though the caucus has reached an uneasy consensus around a public option that's modeled in many ways after a private insurer, it may be necessary to make the public option more liberal, and thus, more politically radioactive, if it's to overcome a number of unique procedural hurdles.

This is the needle Democrats may have to thread if they want a public option, and at the same time, want to bypass a Republican filibuster. And the key for them will be keeping conservative Democrats on board.

"A very robust public option that scores significant savings would presumably be easy to justify doing through reconciliation," says a Senate Democratic aide. "But it is still being studied whether other, more moderate versions of a public option could pass parliamentary muster."

According to Martin Paone, a legislative expert who's helping Democrats map out legislative strategy, a more robust public option--one that sets low prices, and provides cheap, subsidized insurance to low- and middle-class consumers--would have an easier time surviving the procedural demands of the so-called reconciliation process. However, he cautions that the cost of subsidies "will have to be offset and if loses money beyond 2014...it will have to be sunsetted."

And there the irony continues: Some experts, including on Capitol Hill, believe that a more robust public option will generate crucial savings needed to keep health care reform in the black--and thus prevent it from expiring.

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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 12:25 PM
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1. Obviously that's horrible news.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 12:28 PM
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2. Well they should have thought about that before they put on their Nasty Hats.
And maybe they can use this to explain to their corporate masters why they've decided to support the public option after all.

:shrug:
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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 12:29 PM
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3. Um... if it goes under reconciliation, we can lose up to 10 Democrats
That sounds like a pretty good deal. That's enough to lose the real conservadems and also cut a few Democrats in tough states a little slack. (Much like how the House leadership will, if they have the votes to pass, allow some Dems to vote no so to maintain their electoral appeal in conservative districts.)
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DrToast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 12:34 PM
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4. This could help get the votes for cloture
Although I wouldn't be opposed if they passed a strong public option either.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 12:49 PM
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7. Cloture or reconciliaton
Republicans and their enablers are in a corner. Actually, they're screwed.



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DrToast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 12:54 PM
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9. I meant getting cloture from the 60 Dems
The more conservative Dems will vote for cloture because if it goes through reconciliation the bill that passes will be more progressive than they prefer.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 12:55 PM
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10. I understood your comment. n/t
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 01:51 PM
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14. As long as Reid and the leadership are prepared to do the "screwing"...

This is where our leadership needs to start getting firm and really make it clear to the Blue Cross Dogs what will be the consequences if they don't get with the program. If ways of creatively can be found to loosen the corporatist's hold on them, to still allow them breathing room in their districts, that's the kind of leadership we need. But ultimately it is about serving the Democratic constituency of VOTERS and the American PEOPLE and not the "corporate people". We'll see how that plays out. But I think there are cards to play if our leadership has the cahones to use and play them!

Next step after that really needs to be public campaign finance reform, to liberate us from the corporate lobbyist slavery they've had us under for so long. It would be the right time to do so if the leadership can really do the right things here.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 12:34 PM
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5. Theres two ways to approach this, Congress
You can take all the insurance/health care money, pass a bad bill that helps them over helping your own voters, and hope like hell you have sufficient ad money for the next election to lie through your teeth.....

or

You can tell those same corporations to fuck off and pass the strongest bill possible, one that helps millions of people from your own state so they will be inclined to show their gratitude to you by voting for you without hesitation.

Which scenario leaves your dignity and ethics intact?
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 01:21 PM
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13. There is another thing not discussed
If the Dems pass a good healthcare bill, they will get the votes regardless of corporate largesse.

Which means the corporations will STILL have to give their $$ to the Dems because they are in power, and the power party gets all of the bribery attention. Who else you gonna go to? The pukes? After a good healthcare bill gets passed, the pukes will be out of power for some time, so lobbying them will just be wasting bad money after good.


Passing a great healthcare bill would be a win-win for the Democrats if they just do not let their fear dictate their actions. There is nothing to fear from the corporations....they are a paper tiger.
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dave29 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 12:48 PM
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6. I will (not) be so saddened if it comes to this
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Blasphemer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 12:52 PM
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8. Go figure... a robust public option saves more money...
Who woulda thunk it?
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LiberalLovinLug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 01:10 PM
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11. ..and the MSM lets us know this loud and clear every day!
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NOT
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 01:13 PM
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12. Says who?
Heaven forfend we get a "too liberal" Public Option. At this point, that would be the BEST scenario!
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 09:25 PM
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15. This is a very positive perspective
Is there a way that the overall plan will get credit for the fact that it should bring down the costs behind all plans, private and public, as there will be no (or few) uninsured people going to hospitals? This means that the cost to cover the uninsured will no longer exist or will be minimal.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 09:42 PM
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16. And Alan Frumin might just become the most powerful person in the Senate
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 10:41 PM
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17. Interesting. n/t
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 01:19 AM
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18. I'm interested in doing this.....passing it with 51 votes.
hear that Mr. President!
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 04:29 PM
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19. Yes. n/t
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