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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 01:13 PM
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I think of the "public option" just like I do medicare.
Edited on Thu Sep-03-09 01:15 PM by Dawgs
60 years ago, when medicare was being suggested, the republicans and health care fought hard against it and won. They used fear and catch phrases, like 'socialized medicine', to scare the American public into not supporting it. Sound familiar? It took another twenty years before it finally passed. Yes, TWENTY YEARS.

1945
Harry Truman sends a message to Congress asking for
legislation establishing a national health insurance plan.

Two decades of debate ensue, with opponents warning of the
dangers of "socialized medicine."

By the end of Truman's administration, he had backed off
from a plan for universal coverage, but administrators in
the Social Security system and others had begun to focus
on the idea of a program aimed at insuring Social Security
beneficiaries.

July 30, 1965
Medicare and its companion program Medicaid, (which
insures indigent recipients), are signed into law by
President Lyndon Johnson as part of his "Great Society."

Ex-president Truman is the first to enroll in Medicare.

Medicare Part B premium is $3 per month.

...

http://seniorjournal.com/NEWS/2000%20Files/Aug%2000/FTR-08-04-00MedCarHistry.htm

Now, how many of you actually think that a trigger for medicare in 1965 would have eventually given us medicare like we know it today? Would it exist it all, or would we still be fighting about it?

* Ronald Reagan: “f you don’t and I don’t do it, one of these days you and I are going to spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children what it once was like in America when men were free.” <1961>

* George H.W. Bush: Described Medicare in 1964 as “socialized medicine.” <1964>

* Barry Goldwater: “Having given our pensioners their medical care in kind, why not food baskets, why not public housing accommodations, why not vacation resorts, why not a ration of cigarettes for those who smoke and of beer for those who drink.” <1964>

In 40 years, if the public option passes, will we look back at quotes like the ones above and wonder how stupid people could be to oppose it. Or, will we still be fighting about it, wondering why we didn't get it done when we had the chance?

Passing a very weak public option; not a trigger or co-op, would still be better than no public option at all. The point is to get it passed, weak or not.
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 01:20 PM
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1. make it "tax-neutral"
Give the haters a new term to chew on while we pass this:

TAKE A STRONG STANCE
Obama cannot be successful if he tries to make everyone happy. The people who need this are the people he needs to make happy, not people who already have health coverage and access to healthcare.

STICK BY IT
Once he clarifies that, what he needs to avoid is backing down. If Kennedy was the lion in the senate, Obama needs to be the lionking in the executive office.

DEFINE YOUR OWN TERMS AND INNOVATE
That means pointedly NOT considering input from anyone who stands to profit from some nuance in his strategy. I think we need this paid as a TAX, or opted out if you have insurance by selecting an extra deduction. If you forget to opt out, you can leverage your annual premiums against the withholding so that it is not a tax on anyone who has private insurance, if they so choose.

The taxable amount is therefore not a "premium" and is not subject to risk pool pricing. If services are used without paying or having private insurance, the entire cost of services is applied directly to your federal tax burden and subject to collection through federal paycheck lien.

MEASURE THE LIFT
We WILL take in more money on the public option than will actually be used the first year, that way. It will force private insurers to compete on premiums with a public option uniform income-scaled paycheck withholding.

Secondly, Obama MUST allow the OMB to negotiate formulary and costs.

MANAGE THE COSTS AND PROVIDE POSITIVE INCENTIVE
On to "managing healthcare costs":

We should guaranty liability insurance for doctors who have a predominantly public-option clientele. We should be willing to forgive guaranteed medical school student loan debt if a doctor goes into primary care and contractually establishes and maintains a predominantly public-option practice for 7 years. (or some number).

We do collective bargaining agreements on clinical supplies and lab work costs. We make medical school accessible to more future doctors. We encourage nurses and PA's to "finish" as MDs, even years into their careers. We use peer review to address costly lab-padding protocols - finding continued billing for unjustified lab procedures to have costs re-assigned to the ordering physician. Peer review makes this fair - and we create those peer reviews the same way we empower jury duty; it's required.

This is what he needs to innovate with.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 01:30 PM
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2. "Passing a very weak public option; not a trigger or co-op, would still be better than no public op"
Tee hee. Stop with the shell game already.

Medicare for All. Period. Fight for that. Settle for Medicare for much more than now, and continue to fight for the rest.

This other bullshit is just smoke and mirrors designed to hide the big penis that is getting ready to fuck you
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 02:18 PM
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4. Saying "Medicare for All" over and over again ain't going to make it happen.
Why not just say, 'FREE HEALTH CARE FOR ALL'. It would get you just as far.

The public option is not bullshit. It's the only way to get to "medicare for all". It's really sad that you refuse to see that fact.

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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 02:24 PM
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5. The public option is designed to deliver a public option
Not Medicare for all. Thats bullshit. Its a lie and a worthless talking point.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 01:32 PM
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3. Very true. But we shouldn't start negotiations by taking it off the table as has been done. nt
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 02:30 PM
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6. What Truman proposed 60 years ago was single payer for ALL
So don't give me this "we can wait 20 years" bullshit. We've already waited 60. The rest of the "civilized" world already has this. There is NO GODDAMN VALID REASON why we do not have it in this country.

Stop making excuses for these corporate fellating cowards.

A true public option is the compromise which allows the criminals to continue to exist, and the opportunity to determine their own fate. We will NOT tolerate any further concessions to these treasonous motherfuckers.
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Chester Berthum Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 02:37 PM
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7. SINGLE-PAYER!
Ram it down their fucking wingnut throats as if you were John Holmes!
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 02:47 PM
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8. Go back further - Advance of Health Insurance (1912-1945)
One and half minute video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTjAMY6mK5w
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