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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 08:49 PM
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Read the Rolling Stone Article, every last damn word.....

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/29988909/sick_and_wrong/1


Health care reform is more important then blind support of a party.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 08:50 PM
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1. Is it the same
one as this? Read it.

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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 01:31 PM
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19. Prosense, you are not vested in policy change, you are vested in Obama worship

You are the epitome of what under Bush we used to call 'sheeple'...blindly supporting their leader without any scrutiny of his actions.

All your posts do is defend Obama.

You dismiss any and all posts, now matter how factual...now matter how accurate....now matter how logical....

It is all about keeping the illusion of Obama alive.

Obama has already shown his cards. He is not a man of the people. I don't think he ever was...

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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 09:11 PM
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2. K & R
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man4allcats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 09:16 PM
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3. It is an excellent article!
I read the whole thing last week after DUer Hawkeye-X went to the trouble of scanning it in for which I and I'm sure others as well were most grateful, but of course it's much easier to read and to cite in this format. Many thanks for the link, and keep up the great work. The answer is simple enough. It's single payer. The difficulty lies in getting Washington out of corporate America's pocket.
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TomCADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 09:36 PM
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9. Thought Provoking Opinion Piece - I Agree
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 09:18 PM
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4. One thing Democrats never have to worry about is BLIND SUPPORT for their Party
If the democratic party had that we'd be as unified as republicans and ram things through....sadly democrats are always divided and confused....and always afraid. Blind support? I wish!
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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 01:39 PM
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21. Blind support is never a good thing, as it encourages groupthink.
This nation doesn't need another party equally united under the false pretense that it's never wrong and can never make a mistake. That's why I vote Democrat. Never been much for the goosestepping. :)
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windbreeze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 03:10 PM
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22. I neither want NOR approve of blind support....however...blind support used
in the same sentence as the word Democrat...is hysterically funny to me...I have seen more and worse criticism of everything this president has done, so far, on this site...than I have almost anywhere else...including rw sites...there was a point that I was beginning to wonder if it was the same people posting on both sites...wb
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 09:21 PM
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5. Defintely, positively Yes!
Health care reform is more important than blind support of any political party or person.

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TomCADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 09:28 PM
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6. Pretty Brave Of Him To Trash Ted Kennedy, Too
I guess we should stop putting Ted Kennedy on pedestal.

###

Even Ted Kennedy, for whom successful health care reform was to be the great vindicating achievement of his career, and Barack Obama, whose entire presidency will likely be judged by this bill, managed to come up small when the lights came on.

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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 09:29 PM
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7. Obviously written before Ted's death.
I cringed when I read it, because I so admired the man.

That said, I think he is generally right on the substance in this case.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 11:05 PM
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16. His article is all-or-nothing garbage. n/t
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 09:34 PM
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8. Time to throw the Democrats under the fucking bus
They sold out the country for thirty peices of silver from the insurance industry.

Obama included.
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 09:37 PM
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10. Not all of them, not yet anyway.
It's not over completely.

But it does look very bad.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 01:33 PM
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20. Almost time - let's see how it plays out in the next few weeks...
I can see a lot of Obama volunteers rallying around a progressive candidate for 2012 if this doesn't turn around.
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d_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 09:47 PM
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11. good read
it is more important. if they fuck us on this, it's over. it may take twenty years to build a new party, but it'll be worth it.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 10:07 PM
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12. eh, if I'm going to read, it's not going to be Taibbi
better writers out there.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 10:12 PM
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13. Thank you.
Most Duers have counted on Matt for the truth for a long time.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 10:34 PM
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14. Everyone should print this off and highlight it and begin phone calls to
get answers to the problems with 3200 that Matt Taibi describes.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-05-09 10:50 PM
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15. Can't you just smell it coming.

"But Reich's comment assumes that Obama wants to give the bill coherence. In many ways, the lily-livered method that Obama chose to push health care into being is a crystal-clear example of how the Democratic Party likes to act — showering a real problem with a blizzard of ineffectual decisions and verbose nonsense, then stepping aside at the last minute to reveal the true plan that all along was being forged off-camera in the furnace of moneyed interests and insider inertia. While the White House publicly eschewed any concrete "guiding principles," the People Who Mattered, it appeared, had already long ago settled on theirs. Those principles seem to have been: no single-payer system, no meaningful public option, no meaningful employer mandates and a very meaningful mandate for individual consumers. In other words, the only major reform with teeth would be the one forcing everyone to buy some form of private insurance, no matter how crappy, or suffer a tax penalty. If the public option is the sine qua non for progressives, then the "individual mandate" is the counterpart must-have requirement for the insurance industry."

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/29988909/sick_and_wrong/6



I could smell this coming after John Edwards dropped out.
But THEN, candidate Obama strongly OPPOSED individual mandates.....so he got my lesser of two evils Primary support.

Ha Ha Ha....jokes on me. :dunce:
The Jokes also on every one of you, but I don't have enough dunce hats.
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 01:28 PM
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18. Obama exposed himself as a DLC man early on with the Alito fight

Publicly condemning the progressives for fighting for a filibuster....then, after he did his damage and shot down the effort on national tv, he voted for the filibuster knowing it didn't have enough support.

DU was outraged at Obama. Furious. Many forgot this incident, but I never did. I spent weeks on this issue.

I knew then what Obama was, and I was a complete fool to throw in with him this past election.

The only thing worse then a Republican politician screwing the American public for the corporate monster is a democratic politician doing the exact same thing. At least the Republicans show you what they are...The dems just play pretend.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 03:34 PM
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24. +1

i was not aware of those early dynamics, but thanks for the info.
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 03:42 PM
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25. "I was a complete fool to throw in with him this past election"
Not necessarily. The eight years of Bush needed to be strongly repudiated, however symbolically, and then there was the spectre of Sarah Palin hovering on the horizon. Plus, in my case, I had to consider which of the three "viable" Democratic candidates I could best stand seeing on TV for the next 4 years. On those grounds alone, Obama was the best choice for me, but I never expected any kind of meaningful change. The biggest change we got or are likely to get with Obama is that he will be remembered as the first minority elected President.
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 03:34 PM
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23. FWIW, Edwards supported mandates.
Had Edwards or Clinton been elected in Obama's stead, we'd be seeing much the same thing. Either of them may have managed things differently, but the results would be the same.
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GivePeaceAchance Donating Member (950 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 01:16 PM
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17. The final paragraph on page 7 sums everything up very well.
Edited on Sun Sep-06-09 01:18 PM by GivePeaceAchance
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 04:03 PM
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26. I'm going to skip a few words just to spite you
:D
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 07:43 PM
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27. K&R
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