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rsmith6621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 01:35 PM
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Poll question: If We Don't Get The Public Option....


It will be more the House and Senates Fault and not President Obama.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 01:41 PM
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1. At this moment, Congress is to blame.
That may change Wednesday, if the President endorses anything less than a true, untriggered, public option. It would definitely change if they send him a shit bill and he signs it. At that point, it's his failure.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 02:40 PM
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10. The president may get a bigger individual share of blame than anyone else..
...but there are a hell of a lot more Congresscritters fucking it up.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 01:53 PM
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2. I would add both. Obama hasn't twisted the relevant arms and Congress hasn't done their job
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 01:54 PM
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3. CORRECT
THEY HAVE ALL SUCKED
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 01:58 PM
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4. ^
yes.
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 02:36 PM
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8. I'm reminded of a scene in the movie "The American President."
The president, Michael Douglas, claims he doesn't have the votes for a critical environmental bill. The Annette Bening character responds with, "How do you know until you put the full weight of the presidency behind it?"

This is what Obama needs to do this week - put the full weight of the presidency behind a robust public option.

Will he?
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 02:40 PM
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11. And the full weight of the people. nt
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 03:40 PM
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14. great example--I hope that's what Obama does
Edited on Sun Sep-06-09 03:42 PM by yurbud
and he should say directly why even some in his own party will be tempted to oppose a public option--because they care more about getting money now and a job later from insurance companies and pharma than they do about serving the people who they were elected to represent.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 02:40 PM
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9. Agreed. nt
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PSzymeczek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 03:53 PM
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18. My thought, exactly.
Enought fault to go around.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 08:16 PM
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22. the only figleaf I would give Obama is based on dealing with corporate controlled media
If we had a press that wasn't dominated by the same money interests that don't want single payer or even a public option, it would be tough for Obama to defend his "strategery."

But given that the media will repeat ad nauseum any right wing talking point uncritically, no matter how baseless or defamatory, I could see why Obama might let them shoot their load before he plays his cards.

After they have already made their charges of socialist and the like, it will be tough to repeat them without sounding like yesterday's news.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 02:17 PM
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5. Or its america's fault for not electing better people
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 04:07 PM
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19. you mean like republicans. Thanks for the drive by. nt
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 02:25 PM
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6. if we do get it, who should get the credit?
My vote is for Raul Grijalva and Lynn Woolsey. :thumbsup:
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Zavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 02:35 PM
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7. The blame would be fifty-fifty.
Obama hasn't pushed it hard enough. Congress and the Senate are spineless.
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nevergiveup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 03:03 PM
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12. Flame away but I think much of the fault is collectively ours and this includes yours truly..
I sent my first donation only a couple of weeks ago. Other liberals I know personally are only now beginning to take notice. The progressive movement was late to the party.
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DKRC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 03:07 PM
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13. All of them
They all need to get their act together & pass healthcare reform with a universal public option for Obama to sign.

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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 03:44 PM
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15. Obama is the leader of the Democratic Party and the free world
The buck stops right there.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 03:46 PM
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17. There is no such thing as 'Leader of the Free World', and American myth
By definition, a free world has no leader.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 03:45 PM
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16. Obama doesn't get a pass on this!
He is the one that put Single Payer off the table in the first place. The public option was the compromise on not even getting a hearing on Single Payer.
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Motown_Johnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 06:12 PM
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20. Senators who are to worried about their own re-election to vote the way the
people who voted for them last time need them to vote are the problem.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 06:13 PM
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21. Obama vs. Baucus, Nelson, Conrad, etc.? I would know who to blame and its not the WH.
Edited on Sun Sep-06-09 06:13 PM by Jennicut
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iceman66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 08:33 PM
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23. Much more the Senate's fault than anyone else.
The House could easily pass a public option and of course Obama would sign it.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 12:04 AM
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26. Everything we want to have done but can't is the Senates fault.
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 08:33 PM
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24. The Problem is having a "Trigger" NOT the Public Option (the PO is in already).
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fadedrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-06-09 10:23 PM
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25. I picked "Or.." because I think we don't know everything..
The President has always said that he favors a public option, and reconciliation is an option, but there's something else. We may know in a few years...
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Amos Moses Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 12:33 AM
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27. Plenty of blame to go around.
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galloglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 12:34 PM
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28. It doesn't matter one rat's ass whether the House or Senate
even send a bill out of committee. It doesn't matter if there is a bill passed... with or without a public option. The "fault" in this is not assignable, for blame, as you have predicated. Neither total or in part. This is entirely Obama's boxing match!

The ONLY thing that matters is whether anyone will stand up and fight for the citizens of this country. And Congress, a mob of bought and paid for corporate whore-mongers, will claim to be "trying their best to do what is right", which will be exactly what their vested interests and corporate paymasters tell them it is.

President Obama has allowed himself to be put in the unenviable position, largely by the media-driven GOP/corporate smear campaign, of putting up or shutting up.

But if Obama hits the canvas, bloodied and beaten, after waging an Ali-esque battle (rope-a-dope, or no) for the people of this country, I will renew my own war and fight with him in the next rounds and the next bouts. But, on the other hand, if Obama tries to finesse this, waffles on it, or flat-out takes a dive for the Corpocracy, I am forever quits with him. After all, it will be his decision to make and his alone.

We will see when he addresses Congress whether he has chosen to fight for us or whether he will fake it. It won't take any Faux News analysts to tell all of us what Obama chooses. We will, for better or worse, see it ourselves. And he will deserve either cheers or jeers. Nothing in between.

Then there will be no more questions left to ask. Except, perhaps, if things go badly, "Which way to the offices of the Progressive (or Socialist) Party?"








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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 01:12 PM
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29. Obama...
... Because he started the negotiation from a place of weakness.
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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 01:15 PM
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30. Feingold and Dave Obey from WI blame the Senate
Thanks to their archaic rules. That said Obama needs to roll up his sleeves and start "talking" to the blue dogs in both houses.
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LittleBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 01:27 PM
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31. Disagree. He is the de facto party leader and can veto any bill.
Send it back, get the public option.

Anything less is an insurance scam that shouldn't pass.
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