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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 06:13 PM Original message |
Obama may have a Democratic Majority, but he doesn't have a LIBERAL majority |
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Liberal_Stalwart71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 06:15 PM Response to Original message |
1. Sadly, he does not. And we all continue to get screwed as a result. n/t |
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Cant trust em (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 06:16 PM Response to Original message |
2. I'm glad that someone here understands the political realities of our party. nt |
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vi5 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 06:20 PM Response to Original message |
3. Bush didn't either...never stopped him.... |
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TTUBatfan2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 06:32 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Republicans towed the line even if they disagreed with him... |
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vi5 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 06:36 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. I would submit that it's poor leadership.... |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 07:19 PM Response to Reply #7 |
20. I would submit the Democrats aren't the republicons |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 08:42 PM Response to Reply #7 |
35. The Republican Party is a cult. |
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vi5 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 06:12 AM Response to Reply #35 |
43. Well that's a relief.... |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 08:47 PM Response to Reply #43 |
62. Still feel that way |
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vi5 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 07:34 AM Response to Reply #62 |
63. I absolutely do.... |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 01:33 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. I will not get back to you but I'll expect you to get back to us |
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vi5 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 02:34 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. I most definitely will.... |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 02:58 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. No need to be embarrassed |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 06:50 AM Response to Reply #7 |
48. LIke what? The same kind of claims to totalitarian power that |
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vi5 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 02:22 PM Response to Reply #48 |
58. Well then I'm confused... |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 06:36 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. gladly |
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vi5 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 06:43 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. I don't want fearmongering and lies.... |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 07:15 PM Response to Reply #3 |
17. Uh, Cheney sat in on their discussions and most likely bribed and threatened Rethugs |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 06:49 AM Response to Reply #3 |
47. Bush had 911 |
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vi5 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 07:40 AM Response to Reply #47 |
50. In his first term..... |
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WI_DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 11:47 AM Response to Reply #3 |
54. First most of the GOP are conservatives and with Bush it was some moderate/conservative dems who |
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vi5 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 12:13 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. At the time it was 50/50..... |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 06:21 PM Response to Original message |
4. On edit: Eight of those 17 Senators will vote for a public option |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 07:20 PM Response to Reply #4 |
21. 43 + 8 = 51 |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 07:25 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. "43 + 8 = 51...Hence, the issue is fillibuster/cloture." No hence the issue is |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 07:40 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Once again though, reconciliation is simply an alternative to filibuster |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 08:34 PM Response to Reply #23 |
32. Read a phone book instead of pass the bill? |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 09:17 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. Ah, so we should give up the public option, consign millions to death, |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 12:06 PM Response to Reply #37 |
55. But, it's, like, so hard to call their bluff |
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elana i am (626 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 08:31 PM Response to Reply #4 |
31. a portrait worthy of some asshats |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 08:35 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Damn |
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elana i am (626 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 08:48 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. ok i will |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 06:31 PM Response to Original message |
5. Exactly. I said the same thing days ago. K&R. n/t |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 06:36 PM Response to Original message |
8. Excuses, excuses, more bullshit blather |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 06:44 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Obama still has time |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 07:00 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Go check out your history |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 06:07 AM Response to Reply #15 |
42. You look at YOUR history |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 06:45 AM Response to Reply #42 |
45. Um.....the left has been putting pressure on right-wing Democrats |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 06:40 PM Response to Original message |
10. Health care should not be defined as liberal or conservative. |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 06:47 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. regardless of how you define it |
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Becky72 (457 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 06:48 PM Response to Original message |
14. The blue dogs don't have a majority either n/t |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 07:12 PM Response to Original message |
16. You're right, of course, but I still blame the DLC ... |
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Hutzpa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 07:19 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. I don't |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 11:22 AM Response to Reply #19 |
52. Howard Dean didn't buy it. |
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fadedrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 02:23 PM Response to Reply #52 |
59. I'm leanin' that way too...nt |
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Hutzpa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 07:16 PM Response to Original message |
18. You know |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 07:47 PM Response to Original message |
24. Plus, Obama isn't a liberal. I'm glad that the left is energized and active... |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 07:51 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Yeah, a bill... |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 07:53 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. As someone (?) on msnbc said today, "A president gets credit for doing stuff." nt |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 08:13 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. David Gregory said that. Obama has already done more "stuff" than most presidents in this amount of |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 08:15 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. I guess it's true - a president gets credit for doing stuff. nt |
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thucythucy (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 08:11 PM Response to Original message |
27. JFK and LBJ |
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here_is_to_hope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 09:20 PM Response to Reply #27 |
38. Well put! eom |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 05:50 AM Response to Reply #27 |
40. I know |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 06:48 AM Response to Reply #40 |
46. You'd have a point if LBJ threatened families |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 06:54 AM Response to Reply #27 |
49. And that threat could be followed through on today? This is 2009. |
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thucythucy (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 12:56 PM Response to Reply #49 |
57. You're being too literal |
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jesus_of_suburbia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 08:24 PM Response to Original message |
30. I thought we were mad at Bill Clinton for the same reason in the 90's. |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 05:49 AM Response to Reply #30 |
39. Bill Clinton signed Republican bills that |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-08-09 08:41 PM Response to Original message |
34. An excellent |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 06:04 AM Response to Original message |
41. Recced but I'd have to adjust that liberal count down to 35 at most |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 06:40 AM Response to Original message |
44. I hope and pray that our liberal/progressive representatives say to Obama: |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 08:13 AM Response to Original message |
51. correct. which is why is puzzles me that ppl are going batshit blaming obama for everything, when he |
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WI_DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 11:46 AM Response to Original message |
53. Thanks for talking sense but a few around here think Obama can wave a wand and get a public option. |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 02:27 PM Response to Original message |
60. Correct and that is why we compromised away from single payer |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-09-09 02:36 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. That's true. If the Republic weren't so hell bent on obstruction |
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