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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 05:17 PM
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It's Good Strategy For Obama To NOT Draw A Line On The PO Tonight
I don't expect him to nor do I think it's a particularly good idea. I expect he will make a forceful case for it, but he should leave the line drawing to others, like the progressive and black caucuses. This is the smart move IMO. When it's included they will be more empowered than they've been in a long time.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 05:18 PM
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jezebel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 05:18 PM
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2. Thank you. I was starting to think I'm the only person here who believes that and won't give up on
Obama if he doesn't.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 05:19 PM
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3. I don't understand your point. nt
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 05:33 PM
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7. +1 nt
Edited on Wed Sep-09-09 05:34 PM by quantass
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 05:24 PM
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4. There will be a Public Option in the final bill
all this speculation is just for show and hysterics.
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lordcommander Donating Member (178 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 05:34 PM
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8. +1 nt
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 05:34 PM
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9. Of course..the problem is -- will the Trigger be there too :( nt
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 05:48 PM
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14. you must mean there will be in the House version
before they meet with the Senate to combine their 2 bills. I agree the House version will have the public option in some form. But I don't see the Senate having it in their version. Reconciling those 2 versions will be the real battle. And I have no idea how that will turn out. We just don't have the votes in the Senate. Two many Dems are DINOs.
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 05:51 PM
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15. No I mean the final version, after conference
if it takes 50 votes plus Biden to pass reform with a public option then that is what we will have.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 06:07 PM
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17. well, I believe my Magic 8 Ball beats your gypsy crystal ball at prediction
Edited on Wed Sep-09-09 06:08 PM by librechik
so we will both have to "wait and see" and "ask again later."
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 06:18 PM
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24. Touche'. You are right about the wait n see part.
:-)
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 05:29 PM
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5. Obama will try to get the Progressive and Black Caucuses to accept a compromise
short of a robust public option.

If we want to support them, we can't do it without acknowledging that that means opposing Obama. The progressive representatives will fold if the progressive voters don't have the will to oppose Obama.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 05:33 PM
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6. We've compromised "Single Payer" already. A robust Public Option is The Compromise. eom
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 06:21 PM
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26. Absolutely. If the PRESIDENT(!) fails to LEAD with this - he's caved to Big Insurance. -nt
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 05:39 PM
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10. This speech is going to draw a line in the sand on many aspects of the bill.
Edited on Wed Sep-09-09 05:40 PM by ProSense
Anything Obama says must be in the bill is drawing a line. Why this is being linked to the public option is beyond me. If he says he will not accept the status quo, a bill with taxes on the middle class or any other measure, that's drawing a line in the sand. If he's going to be drawing lines in the sand on other issues, why not the public option?
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 05:47 PM
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13. Good Question!!
I will answer u in more detail a bit later. I'm in transit and on an IPOD.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 05:40 PM
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11. K&R back to the greatest page.
I agree. :hi:
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 05:42 PM
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12. bingo
I've said it before. I work in sales and some of us here would make terrble salesmen. if you are trying to bring someone around to your side you don't start demanding stuff. the person you are trying to convince will balk.

it didn't work for Clinton did it?
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 06:07 PM
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16. You guys crack me up.
Staying in Iraq and Afghanistan forever are good ideas, too. So is giving trillions of dollars to Wall Street, with no strings attached. Let the powerless argue about principles and ideologies.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 06:09 PM
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20. What Fucking Planet Do U Live On?
Put up or shut up honey. Where do I support those positions?
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 06:08 PM
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18. You're right. Obama doesn't have to issue a veto threat.
The Progressive and Black caucuses in the House already have drawn the line in the sand - that will work just fine.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 06:09 PM
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19. I'm so glad they did that. nt
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 06:10 PM
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22. Hell yeah! n/t
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 06:32 PM
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27. Yes. I would be nice if Obama joined with them....
...instead of joining The Republicans.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 06:10 PM
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21. Exactly
n/t
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 06:20 PM
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25. Yes.
And I agree with the OP.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 06:15 PM
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23. Bill Clinton drew a line on universal coverage and it it killed HCR for eight years
You are correct.
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 06:41 PM
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28. Did LBJ let the caucus groups on the Hill run the country? No. He LED. It's called LEADERSHIP -nt
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LaydeeBug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 07:15 PM
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29. I'm down with that EXCEPT that Harry Reid has no balls, and Obama knows this, so......nt
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ncteechur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 07:16 PM
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30. I agree! It gets him nothing and paints two targets.
One to kill the bill and one to paint him as going back on his word. Puts him in a box.
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Umbral Donating Member (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 07:30 PM
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31. If he demanded it, he wouldn't be able to pretend it's still a victory - should it end up being cut.
Edited on Wed Sep-09-09 07:32 PM by Umbral
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