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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 12:11 PM
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Dems Plan To Admonish Wilson For Insult - vote early next week (AP)
Edited on Fri Sep-11-09 12:12 PM by jefferson_dem
Dems Plan To Admonish Wilson For Insult
BEN EVANS

WASHINGTON — Democratic leaders are planning to vote early next week to admonish Republican Rep. Joe Wilson if he does not apologize on the House floor for yelling "You lie!" at President Barack Obama.

Brendan Daly, a spokesman for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, said party leaders decided at a meeting Thursday that they will likely move forward with a resolution of disapproval against Wilson absent another apology.

Wilson apologized to Obama after the incident on Wednesday, but he has refused requests to apologize to the House. Wilson's office says the congressman considers his initial apology sufficient.

Democrats say the insult clearly violated House rules of decorum.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/11/dems-plan-to-admonish-wil_n_283532.html
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 12:14 PM
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1. They should admonish with or without another apology if we don't want...
...this to keep happening.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 12:17 PM
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3. Especially based on the totally scumbaggy manner with which Wilson has conducted himself since...
the "apology". Time to stand and be counted.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 12:22 PM
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9. True. I called Pelosi's office this morning - hope a lot of people are doing that. nt
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 12:15 PM
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2. What will admonishing him accomplish?
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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 12:20 PM
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7. Upholding house RULES.
Edited on Fri Sep-11-09 12:21 PM by SIMPLYB1980
While Senate rules on decorum do not prohibit personal references to the president, House rules do. According to section 370 of the House rules manual, members may not:

* call the President a "liar."
* call the President a "hypocrite."
* describe the President's veto of a bill as "cowardly."
* charge that the President has been "intellectually dishonest."
* refer to the President as "giving aid and comfort to the enemy."
* refer to alleged "sexual misconduct on the President's part."

(Hard to imagine how many members were in violation of the House rules during the Bill Clinton impeachment debate in 1998, but we digress.)

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/sleuth/2009/09/did_joe_wilson_violate_house_r.html
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 03:49 PM
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22. Will they send him a strongly worded letter?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 12:40 PM
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17. Fucking exposed on his
own petard.
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 03:50 PM
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23. I'm not holding my breath in seeing it happen.

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 05:45 PM
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26. There are all kinds of ways..it doesn't have
to only be censored on the House Floor.

But, I'm thinking positive thoughts for the negative shit storm to hit joe heckler wilson in equal blowback to his offense.
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PearliePoo2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 12:18 PM
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4. If this action and publicity will cost him any votes....good deal
In the meantime, the racist, Ditto-head, knuckle-draggers are sending him their rent money.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 12:18 PM
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5. Good, and I bet this generates more Repuke censures as it develops.
I don't think the GOP is smart enough to just shut up and accept the House rules.
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joeycola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 12:20 PM
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6. I do not think it a 'censure" is it?
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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 12:23 PM
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10. Reprimand or censure.
Sen. Arlen Specter (D-Pa.) suggested the House should "reprimand or censure" Wilson, later repeating his call on Twitter.
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joeycola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 12:30 PM
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13. see this...........

The words are important. I believe she has changed her mind or is downgrading it to slap on the wrist.
But a public slap will be effective also.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6522894&mesg_id=6522894
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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 12:35 PM
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15. See this...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/11/dems-plan-to-admonish-wil_n_283532.html

"Brendan Daly, a spokesman for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, said party leaders decided at a meeting Thursday that they will likely move forward with a resolution of disapproval against Wilson absent another apology."

I will bet you he doesn't apologies again, and he gets reprimanded or censured.

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dgibby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 01:09 PM
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19. No.
Even Clyburn is against censure, but he's planning to introduce the "disapproval" measure.
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bigjohn16 Donating Member (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 12:21 PM
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8. Great first step.
Hopefully Rob Miller can use it to unseat him in the midterms.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 12:24 PM
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11. Good. He didn't just disrespect the President, he
disrespected everyone in attendance.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 12:28 PM
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12. It's a matter of principle.
The President was (symbolically at least) an invited guest of the US Congress. To have one of its members publicly disrespect him with a schoolyard taunt is absolutely unacceptable. We'll see how his fellow repugs deal with this challenge.
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Champion Jack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 12:34 PM
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14. Screw all this admonishment bullshit
Drag him out side and put him in a pillory for 30 days.
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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 12:43 PM
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18. LoL!
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SpartanDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 02:24 PM
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20. throw in a public flogging for good measure
Edited on Fri Sep-11-09 02:24 PM by SpartanDem
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 12:39 PM
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16. So many people I talked to today at work
about this travesty thinks joe the heckler should apologize on the Floor of the House.

Of course being the inbred asshole he is..he won't be taking responsibility for it..especially since his leader rush the fuck limpbaugh said he better not or incur his bad breath.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 03:27 PM
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21. Rep. Edwards(D-MD): Censure Obama Heckler
Rep. Edwards: Censure Obama Heckler
Rep. Joe Wilson (R-S.C.) may have reached out (perhaps reluctantly) to the White House to apologize for his headline-grabbing outburst during President Barack Obama's address to Congress Wednesday night, but that hasn't satisfied Rep. Donna Edwards (D-Md.) and others on the left.

Appearing on the Kojo Nnamdi Show on WAMU radio today, Edwards said Wilson's apology -- he shouted, "You lie!" after Obama denounced claims that a new health-care system would cover illegal immigrants -- was a "personal" one, but did not address the dishonor he brought to the institution of Congress, and she called for Wilson to be formally censured.

"A joint session of the United States Congress in this country is not a town hall meeting," Edwards said.

Edwards' call echoed one by the liberal Web site OpenLeft -- they have an online petition with more than 30,000 signatures encouraging the same -- and builds on the hard line she has taken on health-care reform. In contrast to Obama's repeated calls for bipartisanship on the effort, Edwards, who is vice-chairwoman of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, told The Hill newspaper last month that Obama has "earned the right to go it alone" in passing health care.

For those struggling to make it to the weekend, a little extraneous background: The power to censure is derived from the U.S. Constitution, though the word itself does not appear in the text. Article I, Section 5, Clause 2 states that: "Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member."

If tradition is any guide, and Wilson were to be censured, he would be made to "stand at the 'well' of the House chamber to receive a verbal rebuke," and the Speaker of the House would read the censure resolution aloud, according to a report by the Congressional Research Service. In rare instances, members even have been made to pay fines.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/annapolis/2009/09/rep_edwards_censure_obama_heck.html
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 04:54 PM
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24. What he needs is a court martial
This guy is an active Reserve Lt Colonel, correct?

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Kaleva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 06:08 PM
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27. Retired I believe
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ShadowLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 05:23 PM
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25. If anything that'll just piss off the GOP and help them raise cash over it
Edited on Fri Sep-11-09 05:24 PM by ShadowLiberal
Wilson has raised over $200,000 since his insult, doing this to him after he apologized to Obama and Obama said he accepted it is just going to encourage the GOP base to donate more money to him and distract us from health care.

I don't like it either, but that's fact.
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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 06:15 PM
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28. Our guy has raised over 1,000,000.nt
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