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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 12:17 PM Original message |
Without the Public Option the Democratic Party will be walking into a trap of its own making |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 12:18 PM Response to Original message |
1. Yup. |
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Divine Discontent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 07:13 PM Response to Reply #1 |
55. Agreed! |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
2. well said, grantcart! |
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JaneFordA (91 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 03:45 PM Response to Reply #2 |
31. GREAT post! |
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SandWalker1984 (533 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 11:50 AM Response to Reply #31 |
101. A public option without government funding is a car without gas... |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
3. like the bank bailout |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 12:29 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. This is indeed an ugly sight. nt |
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Old Time Pagan (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 03:54 PM Response to Reply #3 |
33. Much as I hate to voice it |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 08:55 PM Response to Reply #33 |
61. Actually FDR was no FDR |
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Old Time Pagan (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 10:35 AM Response to Reply #61 |
92. I enjoy listening to FDR's speeches |
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dotymed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 10:29 AM Response to Reply #33 |
90. Amen. FDR saved America |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 12:23 PM Response to Original message |
4. Thank you! n/t |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 12:24 PM Response to Original message |
5. Pretty much. Hard to debate that logic. |
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Cant trust em (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
6. No public option = No Mandate. |
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quakerboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 09:22 PM Response to Reply #6 |
118. +1 |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
7. Well Said, Sir! |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 10:02 PM Response to Reply #7 |
64. Always a pleasure, Sir. |
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myrna minx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
8. Exactly. K&R n/t |
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Vincardog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
10. Pass the public option and add an amendment removing the insurance companies exemption from the anti |
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nightrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
11. Even WITH this watered down "public option" there's a trap--see |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 12:48 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. I am not sure which of the articles you are referring to |
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nightrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 12:54 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. It's titled-- |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 01:04 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. I agree with his logic |
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nightrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 06:13 PM Response to Reply #20 |
44. I read that differently. I think the point Dr McCanne is making is that |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 08:18 PM Response to Reply #44 |
59. Yes I agree But |
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nightrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 09:08 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. I am not that optimistic. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 11:23 AM Response to Reply #20 |
97. It would be much easier to simply.... |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 12:51 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. Exactly, direct link for future and a few snips... |
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DevonRex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 12:40 PM Response to Original message |
12. Agreed. nt |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 12:41 PM Response to Original message |
13. EXACTLY !!! NT |
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OHdem10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
14. The Unintended Consequences will throw them all out of office, |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 11:28 AM Response to Reply #14 |
99. That is precisely WHY they have delayed implementation.... |
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Uzybone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 12:47 PM Response to Original message |
15. K&R |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
19. And Americans want a public option |
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area51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 01:20 PM Response to Original message |
21. +1 (n/t) |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 01:20 PM Response to Original message |
22. I guess Im in the minority that the Public Option actually has to also mean something |
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abq e streeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 03:03 PM Response to Original message |
23. "No excuses, no compromise" from the Democrats in Washington?...I don't know whether to |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 03:05 PM Response to Original message |
24. So who's paying for all those medical expenses your hard working family is racking up today? |
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dotymed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 10:45 AM Response to Reply #24 |
94. Unfortunately |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 03:09 PM Response to Original message |
25. We need progressives to run in primaries against the Blue Dogs. |
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nxylas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 03:28 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. List of Blue Dogs from Wikipedia for reference |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 03:48 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. Thanks for the list. Let's encourage DUers to run. |
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kath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 07:05 PM Response to Reply #27 |
53. Yeah, that Senate list (of non-corporate shills) would be real frickin' short. |
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DaLittle Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 07:35 PM Response to Reply #25 |
57. AGREED Then THESE FRAUDULENT FAScISTS WILL BE Exposed For WHAT They ARE! |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 09:46 AM Response to Reply #25 |
87. i love the sentiment, but the problem is, the reason those asshats ARE blue dogs is that they live |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 03:23 PM Response to Original message |
26. But it must actually BE an option, not a plan that few can select |
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JTFrog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 03:28 PM Response to Original message |
28. Of course it should have a public option. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 03:30 PM Response to Original message |
29. I totally agree. nt rec |
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puebloknot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 03:41 PM Response to Original message |
30. You've nailed it. And they will need another government bureaucracy ... |
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EndElectoral (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 03:55 PM Response to Original message |
34. Without a strong public option there is no cost control..Premiums will rise substantially |
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SWr (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 04:49 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. your right |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 04:41 PM Response to Original message |
35. I agree with the OP, mostly because regulation can only have limited effect |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 04:42 PM Response to Original message |
36. The Public Option is currently the only idea under consideration that achieves Obama's Goals. |
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democracy1st (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 04:45 PM Response to Original message |
37. K & R |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 04:46 PM Response to Original message |
38. I agree, with a caveat. |
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tosh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 06:32 PM Response to Reply #38 |
48. +1. |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 08:19 PM Response to Reply #38 |
60. agreed |
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jesus_of_suburbia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 04:59 PM Response to Original message |
40. "Pass the bill with the public option or defeat it. No trigger, no excuses, no compromise." |
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centristgrandpa (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 05:09 PM Response to Original message |
41. For the poor, public option is their only choice...if |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 05:20 PM Response to Original message |
42. Joe Wilson and AHIP Team Up to Write Max Baucus’s Health Care Bill By: Jane Hamsher |
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lib_wit_it (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 05:23 PM Response to Original message |
43. We need to demand single payer, but if we have to settle for less, then a public option that is open |
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Wednesdays (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 06:22 PM Response to Original message |
45. K&R, although I had to laugh when I read "ACME Insurance" |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 06:26 PM Response to Original message |
46. Agreed. No public option, no deal. n/t |
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MasonJar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 06:30 PM Response to Original message |
47. No robust public option, no bill. Start over next year. |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 07:09 PM Response to Reply #47 |
54. Hear, hear! |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 06:44 PM Response to Original message |
49. EXCLUSIVE: UnitedHealth Lobbyist Announces Pelosi Fundraiser As She Begins Backing Off Public Option |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 06:45 PM Response to Original message |
50. MaxTax Is a Plan to Use Our Taxes to Reward Wal-Mart for Keeping Its Workers in Poverty |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 06:46 PM Response to Original message |
51. And, these guys don't give a shit. |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 06:48 PM Response to Original message |
52. Joe Wilson and AHIP Team Up to Write Max Baucus’s Health Care BillBy: Jane Hamsher |
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joeycola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 09:15 PM Response to Reply #52 |
63. you are on a roll. great. |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 07:32 PM Response to Original message |
56. K&R. |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 07:57 PM Response to Original message |
58. No PO no GO. |
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autorank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 10:21 PM Response to Original message |
65. k*r Excellent |
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zeos3 (912 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 11:45 PM Response to Original message |
66. K&R |
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daleanime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-11-09 11:50 PM Response to Original message |
67. Hell yea! |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 12:15 AM Response to Original message |
68. Yes. We've already given two huge concessions |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 12:01 PM Response to Reply #68 |
103. And the first one was one too many. No more compromises. PERIOD. |
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ArcticFox (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 12:35 AM Response to Original message |
69. Four year wait is worse than a trigger |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 12:45 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. The wait is for budget reasons. Don't like it come up with 300-500 billion (nt) |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 02:22 AM Response to Reply #70 |
72. Bring the troops home. Do I win? |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 12:03 PM Response to Reply #70 |
104. Eliminate the mortgage interest deduction - $100 billion right there. |
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bleever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 01:17 AM Response to Original message |
71. Mr. Obama knows that this is his legacy, for all intents and purposes. |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 02:30 AM Response to Reply #71 |
73. That legacy talk is not very satisfying to my brother and sister. |
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jannyk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 02:31 AM Response to Original message |
74. Brilliant Grantie - well done! |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 03:06 AM Response to Original message |
75. Cheers sir... at least now we who can't find a reasonable plan can save our money... |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 03:31 AM Response to Original message |
76. Excellent point. And then imagine when the Republicans become the "heroes" of the little guy for |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 03:37 AM Response to Reply #76 |
77. and then they get to run against us because we are socialists |
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1Hippiechick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 03:53 AM Response to Original message |
78. My liege! |
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Dr.Phool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 06:37 AM Response to Original message |
79. The mandate also removes a lot of disposable income from the economy. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 06:44 AM Response to Original message |
80. And kept intact, the public option will establish national universal health care |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 08:24 AM Response to Original message |
81. And even then, the 'public Option' will need to be vetted to the tiniest detail. |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 08:50 AM Response to Original message |
82. Some people are more concerned with their side getting a "win" |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 02:21 PM Response to Reply #82 |
114. Centrism.... |
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natrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 09:03 AM Response to Original message |
83. this board is so strange |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 09:52 AM Response to Reply #83 |
88. try making sense of DU and you'll be at it a long time. my guess would be that |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 10:39 AM Response to Reply #83 |
93. I believe those posts serve a purpose of showing us all who the paid propagandists are |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 11:25 AM Response to Reply #93 |
98. I could name them. |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 01:21 PM Response to Reply #98 |
107. if the democratic party paid people to post on message boards, why do you |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 01:37 PM Response to Reply #107 |
108. who said dem party? how about Big Pharma and AHIP? |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 01:41 PM Response to Reply #108 |
109. i could see repukes or people like big pharma doing this, but, what would they be posting? |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 02:12 PM Response to Reply #109 |
113. HR 3200 (the Plan Obama referenced) |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 01:43 PM Response to Reply #107 |
110. If they are not being paid.... |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 01:46 PM Response to Reply #110 |
111. i think kucinich is more popular here than other places, because posters here are political junkies |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 02:07 PM Response to Reply #110 |
112. absolutely! Rahm is the worst form of snake! eom |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 12:05 PM Response to Reply #83 |
105. The more that we concentrate on issues and the less that we concentrate |
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90-percent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 09:08 AM Response to Original message |
84. Third Party |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 09:53 AM Response to Reply #84 |
89. without instant run-off voting or a european style system it would be a waste though. might as well |
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dotymed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 11:13 AM Response to Reply #84 |
95. I shudder to think |
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WillyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 09:15 AM Response to Original message |
85. Exactly !!! - K & R !!! |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 08:42 PM Response to Reply #85 |
115. good to see you WillyT haven't seen you for a while |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 09:42 AM Response to Original message |
86. nice post cart. i had to resist the temptation to add a gratuitous admiral akbar pic |
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liberalhistorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 10:31 AM Response to Original message |
91. Lack of public option will also make those over |
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dotymed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 11:16 AM Response to Reply #91 |
96. That is the current state of affairs |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 11:28 AM Response to Original message |
100. You say it, and get 158 recs. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
102. Kicked and freaking recommended! |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 12:48 PM Response to Reply #102 |
106. thks |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 08:44 PM Response to Original message |
116. Do you think $60,000 is low-income? Do you not know any teachers?! |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-12-09 09:06 PM Response to Reply #116 |
117. for a family of four, in a larger city, 60k is by no means a high income |
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